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Re: Bill McEwen not appearing at AMIwest
« on: July 19, 2003, 02:27:22 PM »
Let's be totally honest - did anyone ever think for a second he would turn up, anyone at all?

Just shows that AInc is a farce, that's all. Even the name followers will have to see this by now.
 

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Re: Bill McEwen not appearing at AMIwest
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2003, 04:48:05 PM »
I have to laugh. One gets called a brainless troll if one criticises a company that has done everything to deserve such criticism. Seems to me the brainless ones are not the critics, but the foaming-mouthed apologists that queue up to defend AInc when as every lie, sham and revelation of its incompetence is open for everyone to see.

And the big irony is, by protecting AInc the apologists are perpetuating their damage on the platform they like so much - the Amiga.
 

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Re: Bill McEwen not appearing at AMIwest
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2003, 05:42:37 PM »
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I wonder what describing people as "Name followers" or "foaming-mouthed apologists" has to do with critisizing a company?


The connection is simple. Go to Amigaworld.net and start an account. Start a new thread with the title "Why you should think twice about Amiga Inc." with some very mild accusations. Then sit back and watch the foam fly.

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Which part of "Amiga Inc suck" didn't you understand?


I don't understand your point. You say they suck, then say you'd rather not hear them criticised, although you have the ability to stay out of these kind of boring troll threads if you choose to exercise it.
 

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Re: Bill McEwen not appearing at AMIwest
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2003, 06:00:09 PM »
lempkee, you're blaming the symptom. Look for the cause. Not everyone who thinks AInc have had their shot and blew it wants you to buy a Pegasos. ;-) Hell, I still thought that when I was going for the A1 and OS4.
 

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Re: Bill McEwen not appearing at AMIwest
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2003, 07:30:43 PM »
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So let's see, if Genesi starts having financial problems you guys are just gonna back stabb on them as much as you can?


Stop there. If they had financial problems, no, nobody reasonable would suddenly pile on top. But no reasonable people did that with AInc after the DE flopped either. I didn't. But if Genesi pulled the same kind of sh1t AInc have done over the years since, then I would - a lot. I owe no loyalty to Genesi and will criticise them without hesitation when they deserve it. I would hope that most other people would do the same. I would be a fool to think Genesi's aims were convergent with my own.

So I'm not attacking AInc because I've been 'induced to say so'. I criticised both AInc and Genesi a lot in the past, when I was determined to get an A1 and to hell with the Pegasos. I attacked AInc then because they are harming the Amiga, and I still do now.

PS: I have never, to my knowledge, attacked Hyperion or Eyetech. At least they are actually providing a product.
 

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Re: Bill McEwen not appearing at AMIwest
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2003, 08:23:40 PM »
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Harming?? So, what are these wild suppositions of unproven crimes?


That is best left to the hordes of lawyers and debtors currently running around after AInc.

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I agree with them, these people are sad, depressed trolls with no lives of their own so they try to destroy others'.


Then again, they could just be people who are sick fed up of Amiga Inc's apathy, incompetence, cynical delaying tactics, empty words and general bullsh1t.

Today's announcement is typical grade A 100% Amiga Inc.
 

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Re: Bill McEwen not appearing at AMIwest
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2003, 09:04:18 PM »
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I think the point that is being made here is that criticism is fine, and Amiga Inc deserve it. But what is going on here is a little more than criticism. In some cases it's plain rude and uncivil.


I've tried to remain at least an angry-civil; I'm not going to lower myself to the level of personal insults like others here. And I won't start throwing wild accusations about like the paypal stuff I know nothing about. What I have (vaguely) cited as AInc's failings is hardly controversial: its common knowledge and only the most shortsighted or stubborn can refuse to acknowledge it. Yet they do. And they do it a lot. And before you know it there is a tide of totally misplaced optimism that always crashes and burns in the worst possible way, and at the end thousands of good people just decide to give up and go to another platform. This happens again and again and again so often it's heartbreaking. It's happened since '94.

The irony is, that when when anyone tries step in to try to remind people about how misplaced their trust is, they get called FUD spreaders and trolls. It's as if its some kind of defensive mechanism that acts in leiu of any reason or common sense. They can't properly defend AInc because they have become indefensible, so they use excuses and counter-accusations instead. There is nothing wrong with criticism as long as it is not just FUD - even if it is old arguments. I reiterate that people who are fed up of hearing about this should just stay out of these threads. Seriously. I think saying that it is boring or stupid to criticise is just one of the forms of defensiveness I outlined above. It's the only way to support AInc and still look semi-credible. And that goes for *YAWN* guy too. If he's so tired he should go to bed.

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Most of the people doing this are pegasos owners and genesi supporters. So no surprise some folk may reason there is an agenda behind the crap.


Admittedly this is true. Many of these people picked their side years ago. But many were blonde cheerleaders like myself who just turned sour in the face of yet more broken promises. Many of those kind of people love Amigas for what they are and what they were, and its no real surprise that many went to MOS. MOS is the closest thing to the real Amiga experience you can get in the current day. And Genesi have spent lots of money and time and effort recruiting people - something AInc have never done and never will. Another good thing about the 'Genesi crowd' is that they keep it real - they don't think that their OS will save the Amiga and make it popular again or other such deluded nonsense.

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Old arguments are dug up over and over and it's boring. Do you really think everyone would forget about Amiga Inc's wrong doings if you didn't keep reminding us?


I know you won't forget, as most other intelligent people won't. But I can say that some others have either very short memories or they are very forgiving. Or they really are blind to what's going on, intellectually revolting as this may be. It's hard not to comment when you see yet more AInc bull and people swallowing it up like good little zealots or apologising for massive AInc blunders or coverups. My personal bugbear is when people think AInc are beyond any kind of reproach just because they have the name. Most of these people wouldn't care if I insulted Microsoft in the same way - my avatar pees on them and I've had no complaints of being a troll yet for that!
 

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Re: Bill McEwen not appearing at AMIwest
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2003, 09:18:54 PM »
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Or did I misread your post? Have you not placed me in the "I defend AInc"-category?


Then I must have you wrong. What exactly is your reason to come into discussions you're not interested in and print *YAWN* a lot? Or if you're fascinated, why not join in?