New OS4 Community Portal

[bhoggett]

Has AWN become too liberal then, to require yet another split by those who are obsessed by the purity of the "true way"?

How ironic.

[bhoggett]

In other words, it's formed on exactly the same elitist, isolationist principles that AmigaWorld.net was formed on in the first place. A place for all the red-faction hate-mongers and superiority complexes can post whatever they like without the risk of being challenged or having to explain themselves.

Quite simply, it's the living proof of what has f***ed up the Amiga scene for years now: the community. It's not Amiga Inc, Hyperion, H&P, Eyetech or Genesi who are responsible for the rotten core of the Amiga scene - it's the users who have allowed the scammers and con-artists to sell them unachievable pipe-dreams because it's exactly what they wanted to hear. It looks like the new forum is there for people who don't want to be interrupted in their fawning obeisance to "the official solution".

It's only when users decide enough is enough and are truly prepared to make sacrifices and compromises to their ideals that anything will ever move forward. So far this hasn't happened.

[bhoggett]

@Frags:

I wonder why there`s no mention whatsoever of it on AW?

Probably because they no longer see a need to promote zealotry. I can't say I disagree with them - people like Mikey_C thrive on promoting their brand of intolerance elsewhere. Anyone remember the drama when these people "left" AO? Now you have them promoting another damaging split in the community over all other forums which will permit them.

What is the value of tolerating the intolerant? Now there's a philosophical question - though probably not a helpful one here.

[bhoggett]

Despite the protestations of innocence and virtue, you can almost smell the insincerity in that post. Why do you expect to be able to promote your intolerance all over the Amiga forums and not attract criticism is beyond me.

You can always go back to the protection of your hole in the ground and not read any of the reactions elsewhere - that way you won't be offended or bothered by them Isn't that the very purpose of your existence.

How long before the rabid zealotry fades away from the new forum too, and Mikey_C, you and the rest splinter off to start yet another forum dedicated to the still unreleased OS$ and defunct AmigaOne?

This is what's been destroying the Amiga for years - it's ironic that the Amiga's worst enemies are those who most loudly profess to defend it.

Oh, and if you don't like this comment feel free not to read it!   :lol:

[bhoggett]

@itix:

To split hairs, not really... they have also AmigaOS3 and Amiga emulation as their area.

It's not about discussing OS4 at all - that's just a smokescreen.

What it is about - what it has always been about for those people - is the name! If it carries the "Amiga" name and is therefore blessed with official approval it's good, anything else - specially if it's seen as a direct alternative - is "undesirable", to use their own terminology. That's why there was so much venom directed at Amiga.org for allowing discussion on "non-approved" topics, and why AWN is now being accused of the same things AO was accused of when Mikey_C led his "exodus". Dogma and zealotry is at the heart of it, however much certain people protest. Tolerance cannot be tolerated.

Isn't it food for thought that the people who make most noise about wanting to get away from flamewars by starting their own forums always seem to be in the thick of it when flamewars start?

I wonder what would happen if all the leaders of the various factions got locked in a small room without food until they came to their senses and agreed a common solution they could all work towards... I suspect they'd all starve to death first.

[bhoggett]

@hooligan:

Why so much negativity towards the new site? Maybe this site it what MorphZone is for MorphOS.. a site 95% concentrated to one OS.

Whats wrong with that?

Nothing - except that it's exactly what AWN was supposed to be. Yes, AWN has changed and the zealots have left their positions of power but why is that?

Could it be that the vast majority of people get tired of the taste of each others bum-holes after a while and look for some lively discussion, debate and fresh ideas?

The zealots feel that the "Book of Amiga" is like the Bible to Christians or the Qur'an to Muslims, its teachings inviolate and unchanging. Fresh ideas that may not originate from approved sources are seen as heretical and subversive. The failure of doctrine to yield results is down to bad luck or sabotage by evil adversaries, not because the doctrine is faulty to start with. Never let it be hinted at that the leadership may be inept or out of touch with reality - that's akin to sheer sacrilege.