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Re: Can there be room for another system?
« on: September 11, 2006, 01:46:56 AM »
My feeling is that innovation is nothing more than stealing an idea from an open-source project and mainly I too feel that the computer industry is making more or less an appliance for the masses.

I just feel there is no real innovation going on any more... it is like the major players are comfortable with the way things are and so lets add bells and whistles to our already bloated OS.  So I would like to see a new OS evolve.

What is a keen example of what I am talking about is a new feature of Windows (Vista) which looks keenly like an idea that Sun Microsystems had out on their open-source project called Looking Glass.   The Windows implementation of "flip" and "flip 3D" looks exactly like Looking Glass.   Plus they seemingly took the look and feel of OS X (mac) for their vista "look and feel".   Even Apple is guilty on some level of this lack of innovation, and I have always thought of Apple as innovators, and then the PC world implements it later (examples include but are not limited to: USB, USB 2.0, Firewire (IEEE 1394), SATA, etc.) which were adopted after Apple released machines with these features.   And now, the OS X look and feel is kind of a rip off of FreeBSD features and ports of X windows features like WindowMaker's Dock and others.  Though they did change it up quite a bit!

But the innovation that drives "the development" of the modern Operating system includes keeping a very old UNIX environment running in the background.  It would be cool to come up with a totally new OS that was independent of UNIX... however, I do love the UNIX underpinnings and FreeBSD in particular is rock solid and tried and true.  The only difference left between any OS seems to be either Windows (VAX environment with NTFS filing system) or *NIX based.  Then it can be sub-divided further into front end GUI differences... the GUI is all that separates one *NIX from another.   We are (unfortunately) forced to choose either Windows (which I will never use where I don't have to) or a *NIX environment.  Then it is a debate whether we like the propritory MacOS X (Aqua) interface or whether we are X-Windows purists.

I know I have said this before, but I think the world could use a new AmigaOS that competes directly with MacOS X and Windows.   What I don't get is why Amiga, Inc or Hyperion don't simply write their own GUI on top of a *NIX base (just the way Apple did) and make it therefore able to run on any platform that the kernel would support?   This just makes sense.  And While I understand that even Apple had many more resources in programming to get this done, Aqua was still developed by one team!

Heck, I would be glad to work on such a project if they'd let us help in the development.   That was indeed one thing Apple did that was cool, they let their developer network folks help develop for the platform so that there were programs running on Aqua when it launched!  It could be done here too.

Anyhow, my opinion is well stated in many places on this forum, so I am going to try not to restate it here.

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Re: Can there be room for another system?
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2006, 03:58:48 AM »
@Cgutjahr

Yes I have stated that the future of Amiga OS is to build a gui that is "AmigaOS like" ontop of UNIX many times.   I would dearly love to see a departure from that model if it could be done in a way that is as solid as those UNIX boxes.

Since I use UNIX based OSes personally, I don't know of a way to get that kind of rock solid performance without UNIX, so it is very much a dicotomy for me.  Love of UNIX vs Love of AmigaOS.  Although (as stated in many threads) I see the future being the very same as MacOS... you have the MacOS classic which is version 7-9 and then you have the modern supported face of OS X.  The classic interface is like Macintosh Retro.  There are people who are adamant about not switching to OS X because they love their pre-OS X system... just like I feel there will be always the Amiga retro side using up to OS 3.9 and then there will be the future OS 4 on up.   So I am not "demanding" anything, just stating my opinion.
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Re: Can there be room for another system?
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2006, 06:23:21 PM »
@sdyates

I looked at AROS, and maybe I am missing something, but isn't it fully an emulator?  Maybe it only runs on Intel based boxes -- (of which I have zero currently)... but it seemed to me that it was an emulation or some such thing like that, so I lost interest very quickly reading their site.

They may indeed however be on the right track, whose to say?

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