My evening with Commodore USA, LLC

[Dandy]

OS4 was not produced by commodore, or even AI,

Even the Commodore of old just bought the Amiga technology (hard- and software) - it wasn't their development.

The tie wearing idiots that called themselves "manager" drove the company to the ground with their incompetence.

So I don't care for Commodore - neither for the old one, nor for the latest (re-)incarnation of that corpse.

They were just one owner of the Amiga technology in a long row and the fact that their latest re-incarnation  deals/dealt with that Amino/AInc/Itec/KMOS/AInc/Amino scam company doesn't really help to make me feel better about them...

All that I associate the name "Commodore" with are stupid business decisions followed by the downfall.

What counts for me most is that the "spirit" of Amiga lives on in the updates to the AmigaOS and the HW it runs on.

and it doesnt run on real 68k amigas.

Hmmmm - so you're saying my Amiga 4000 with 68060 cpu and PPC604e cpu isn't real?

[Dandy]

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but as CUSA seems to be adamant on using them then I shall continue to express my views on this whenever the subject arises...

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[Dandy]

Amiga was a 68k computer developed in the 80's and early 90's by Commodore International.
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Wrong.

It hasn't been developed by Commodore - they just bought the Amiga technology.

Development of the Amiga began in 1982 with Jay Miner as the principal hardware designer of "Amiga Corporation". "Amiga Corporation" was a United States computer company formed in the early 1980s as "Hi-Toro". It is most famous for having developed the Amiga computer, code named "Lorraine".

You should get your facts straight instead of distorting history.

[Dandy]

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Seriously, those of you with moral, ethical, whatever obejections to this need to get over it.
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Seriously, you're certainly not in the position to tell anybody what he needs to do or not.

[Dandy]

Should they have asked you?
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To use their brain should have been sufficiant.
(See second part of my sig...)
Not to do so somehow seems to be tied to the name...

[Dandy]

This would have been the "sane" solution for C-USA:

Commodore PCs - a line of C= branded PCs running a variety of off-the-shelf OS's (Win, Linux, etc) or with a blank HD.
Commodore "Classic" PCs - as above, but with a Commodore themed case and AmigaForever/C64 Forever pre-installed with possily USB-Analog joystick adapters, joysticks and games.
Commodore Amiga cases - replacement cases for existing Amiga-like machines (Amiga1000-4000, OS4.x mobos, Minimig solutions, etc)
Commodore Amiga models - A line of Amiga compatable machines using Minimig/FPGA Arcade and eventually Natami supplied with a preconfigured SD Card containing ROMs, WB3.x and games.

Instead, they're up to something evil.

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[Dandy]

Then we have Hyperion, who was contracted by Amiga Inc to do 4 months of developing work (some carefully defined work tasks, as outlined by the Friedens themselves) for which they would get a specified sum of money.
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AInc broke the contract in the first place by not handing over the contractually assured source codes.

Don't distort history!

[Dandy]

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This guy recognizes that x86 rules the world.
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Are you trying to imply here that Amiga should rule the world?
Get real...

[Dandy]

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There are people here who would be happy to run Linux with an emulator on an x86 box,
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Nothing hinders them to do so already today - they don't need C=USA for that.

[Dandy]

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he wants to sell people
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He wants to sell people?
Really???

I thought slave trade was illegal nowadays?

EDIT:
Or did you mean ""he wants to sell to people"?

[Dandy]

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The X1000/OS4 project ... is not a viable option because there is no product near completion and doesn't look like it will be any time soon.
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And you are 100% sure that what he told you is the truth and not just spreading F.U.D. to tap some of AEon's potential customers?
If so, what is your confidence based upon?

[Dandy]

Dandy, why are you always late to the pary ?
Do you check internet forums only every 2:nd week ?

I have a life to live, you know...

[Dandy]

I think what he means is that from a commercial point of view X1000 isn't viable.  

O.K. - but didn't Trevor Dickinson state from the very beginning that the A1 X1k is not targetted at the "common user", but at developers and geeks?

From my POV it doesn't make sense to blame him for something that he clearly stated from the beginning...

The fan base is there, but it's only at best a thousand or two and at worst in the hundreds.
There isn't enough profit there to keep a company going in the long run.

AFAIR, Trevor said if he sold 250 units or so he'd break even. So selling "a thousand or two" would mean quite a good profit for him, wouldn't you agree?
I don't know his plans regarding keeping his "company going in the long run".

He wasn't commenting on the computer but rather on the economics of making the computer.

Maybe this is due to him looking at it from a completely different perspective.

He wants to supply the masses (as far as I understood), while Trev just wants to supply the devs and geeks to lay a foundation for further development of the platform.

So they are aiming at completely different target groups, I'd say...

And if Barry realy is a prooven business man as it was repeatedly stated here, he should be aware of that.
But in this case I don't understand why he states things that can be interpreted by those interested in the A1 X1k as if the whole project is just vapourware/a hoax.
The only motivation for that that comes to my mind is that he's intentionally spreading F.U.D. in order to torpedo the A1 X1k project.
Correct me, if you think I'm wrong...

[Dandy]

...your nonsense...
...your who developed Amiga stupidity...
...your comments were so stupid and nitpicky...

First of all: Thank you for your kind words.
It's always refreshing to receive namecalling from someone running out of arguments...

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OS4 on an amiga 4000 ppc runs on the ppc, amigas are 68k machines, commodore never released a ppc machine, so os4 runs on a non-commodore, non-amiga, component slapped onto the side of your cpu.

This doesn't remotedly answer my question, which was "Hmmmm - so you're saying my Amiga 4000 with 68060 cpu and PPC604e cpu isn't real?", IIRC.

I'm very well aware that OS 4.x runs on the PPC, once it was started by the 68k cpu and that commodore never released a ppc machine. I also know that the CyberstormPPC is a "non-commodore" product from Phase5 for Amigas 3k/4k. Or can you name annother computer brand that could use them?

My Amiga 4000 was manufactured by Commodore and expanded by me with an add-on by Phase5 for Amiga computers.

Are you trying to imply that my A4k isn't an Amiga any longer, because I expanded it with the CSPPC?

If so - and if I follow this logic - then my good old Ford Sierra XR4i wasn't any longer a Ford Sierra XR4i, just because I put better looking 3rd party rims and Recaro seats on it, as well as an Pioneer high end stereo equipment and an Bosch ultra sonic alarm system?

If I ran Windows on a bridgeboard in an Amiga 3000 does that mean that Amiga's run Windows?

As long as they are expanded with an bridgeboard, of course - yes.

I already did that back in 1989 on my A500 - initially with PCtask, later I expanded it with the Vortex ATonce286 classic. And the A500 still was an A500 - but an expanded one.

As for your who developed Amiga stupidity, no Amiga did not originate with Commodore, but 99 percent of the development,

According to my dictionary the "development" was 100% done by "Amiga Corporation", aka "Hi-Toro".
All subsequent "advancements" or "enhancements" have been done by Commodore until they went belly up in 1994.

including ALL of the actual computer models

Not sure what you mean with "actual computer models", as Commodore produced its last Amiga models back in 1994.
I would regard the SAM or the A1 X1k (if already was available) as "actual computer models".

and ALL of the OS releases[ -] except for 3.5,[ ]3.9, Aros, MOS, and OS4 [- ]were by Commodore.

(content in square brackets added by me for better readability)

I fully agree with you here.

I know the history of Amiga as well as you, but I'm not quite as pedantic.

I'm sorry if I came across as "pedantic" - maybe I have some semantic problems due to not being a native English speaker.

So it came that I had to use a dictionary sometimes and - as I stated above - my dictonary revealed that there is a difference in meanings between "development" and "advancement or enhancement".

I just tried to word myself as precise as possible to avoid being misunderstood.
If that qualifies me as being "pedantic" then be it...

The rest of your comments were so stupid and nitpicky I won't even comment on them.

Again:
Thank you for your kind words.
It's always refreshing to receive namecalling from someone running out of arguments...

EDIT:
Fixed quoting

[Dandy]

I guess that depends on whether Barry:

1) Doesn't give a crap about the existing Amiga community(s) and has his eye on selling to a much larger audience

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2) Is so clued into the Amiga community and specifically the OS4 scene that he is even now conniving to steal away the dozen or so people who plan to buy an X1000.

Now, I don't have much of a business background but I do know how to make money, and I suspect Barry does too. Which is more profitable do you think, 1 or 2?

I think you're looking at it from the wrong perspective - please see my reply #375 to Persia.