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Re: DVD not a good solution
« on: September 23, 2004, 08:32:46 AM »
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Dan wrote:
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Not to mention what old videoplayers in need of service does to them. FFWD STOP kachunk PLAY almost cut the tape in half.

If you run the engine of your car without oil it will get destroyed.
The same is for playing video tapes in a maschine that's in need of service.
Give the maschine the service it requires and play your videotape *AFTERWARDS* and it will be O.K....
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Why don´t people just throw away old craplike that

Because this would be the most stupid thing they could do, IMO.

Already forgotten the whole DRM/Longhorn/Copyright thing?

The intention of the industry for promoting and pushing the digital storage medias (CD-R, DVD) certainly was *NOT* to benefit the customers with better audio/video quality (that's only a side effect), but to make lots of money.

And they want to achieve this by killing analogue storage techniques and their markets, while they *BUY* (or blackmail) politicians/governments to change the existing copyright laws to their own advantage.

So today any *PRIVATE* digital copy of a (digitally protected) source is illigal here in Europe. Only good, old analogue copies are still legal *for private use*.

So if one prefers to go the legal path he has eigther to buy everything legally (but no one would buy e.g. an audio CD twice - one for everyday usage and one as a "backup"), or he has to make analogue copies.

It is no longer legal to buy e.g. an audio CD (for usage at home) and to make a digital copy of it for usage in your car.
 :-o
If you want to hear this particular piece of music *LEGALLY* in your car as well, you currently have no other choice than to dust off your old tapedeck and make an "old fashioned" magnetical tape copy for your car.
 :-o
The only reason why the industry pushed and still pushes the digital storage techniques is the fact that they think they can better control/prevent the copying (what always had annoyed them since recording was invented) and so rise the sales and earn more money instead "loosing" it by "piracy copies" (industry wording).
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Only digital storage techniques offer possibilities to implement copy protection mechanisms - this is *NOT* (economically) possibel with analogue storage techniques!

The only way to protect a venyl record against unauthorized copying would be to pull a chain through the hole in the middle and to lock it with a padlock!
 :-D

So you see:
Throwing away your old (analogue) "crap" would be the most stupid thing you could do!

Better would be if you could afford it to buy one of the latest tapedecks and videorecorders - they mostly are top quality and really inexpensive nowadays!

(Altough I own an DVD player in the meantime, I bought me an new stereo VHS VCR as well as an upper class Nakamichi tape deck and a Thorens turntable for my venyl collection shortly for relative little money...)

From the customers point of view the whole DRM/Longhorn/Copyright thingie just is kind of modern robber-knighthood!
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Re: DVD not a good solution
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2004, 10:12:07 AM »
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So you see:
Throwing away your old (analogue) "crap" would be the most stupid thing you could do!


Or you could just make sensible, researched choices into what digital hardware you buy?

Boycott makers of copy-protected CDs?

Unfortunately you can't see it on the cover of a CD if it is copy-protected or not.
You have to buy it first and then you can try to copy it - or how can you know it's protected?

As to buying digital hardware:
Everything "digital" includes the possibility of copy protection measures - analogue "crap" doesn't.
Every digital copy of protected content is illegal - every analogue copy is *NOT* illegal!

And lets be honest:
The quality of analogue recordings with the latest analogue devices is not so bad - depending on the equipment it's not far away from digital recordings and had been sufficiant for the most of us all the years until digital devices came up!

We should not let the industry drive us to shut the door for legal copies ourselves!

If we now stopped buying analogue devices, their production would be stopped in consequence and then, when the last recorder "died", there will be only *ILLEGAL* (private) copies...
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Re: DVD not a good solution
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2004, 01:21:01 PM »
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Eh? It's not illegal here in Sweden, and I'm pretty sure we're not alone about that.

Maybe that swedish law has not been harmonised *YET* with the european laws, but it will come for Sweden as well as it already came for Germany:

http://europa.eu.int/eur-lex/en/consleg/pdf/2001/en_2001L0029_do_001.pdf (38-39)

http://www.netlaw.de/gesetze/urhg.htm  §53

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A copy is a copy, regardless of the media used.

 :-D
I agree - but tell this to the European Comission...
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Re: DVD not a good solution
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2004, 07:56:12 AM »
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I think the police have it´s hands full with the violent crimes!
What are you afraid off really?

I'm not so much concerned that I could be caught by the police - it's more a matter of priciple.

If you take into account that I was born under a communistic system in the former German "Democratic" Republic, you might understand that I'm *NOT* happy to see my shortly (Shortly? Oh Sh... - that's already 14 years ago!) achieved freedom beeing cut back step by step...
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Re: DVD not a good solution
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2004, 11:58:41 AM »
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Nope, but you can read up and find out what record labels are shipping copy-protected CDs.  BMG is one, for example, since about 2002.

Well, the thing is that I have most of the music I'm interested in on venyl records (about 2.5 m of records).

On all these records is written that I'm allowed to make copies for private usage.

Additionally I have about 100 (old) music CD's with music from the 70's and 80's, which don't have any form of digital copy protection.

So I think I'm not really affected by this copyright thingie, as I hardly will buy newer, digitally copy-protected music CD's.

But - as stated above - I'm certainly *NOT* happy seeing my rights and my freedom being cut back step by step...

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Re: DVD not a good solution
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2004, 02:30:38 PM »
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mikeymike wrote:
AFAIK, there was a court case (in the UK?) about video recorders, some industry associations argued it would only be used for illegal copying of material, but it could also be used for recording sports/news events (which aren't copyright-protected), so it was allowed.

All I can say is what I already said above:
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Maybe that swedish [edit]or other European countries[/edit] law has not been harmonised *YET* with the european laws, but it will come for Sweden as well as it already came for Germany:

http://europa.eu.int/eur-lex/en/consleg/pdf/2001/en_2001L0029_do_001.pdf (38-39)

http://www.netlaw.de/gesetze/urhg.htm  §53


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