potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP

[koaftder]

lou_dias wrote:
Well it amuses me to see people get all huffy about subjective material.

Developers has their favorite environment and it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks of it unless mandated to change it by a superior or sheer curiosity.

Waccoon, you can run your mouth all you want.  So because I had 2 classes in C/C++ some 15 years ago, I'm supposed to remember every nuance?  Same with 6502/8502 assembly when I was 16 or 17 and 8088 assembly during a college course...again 15 years ago.  What I do remember is my impressions of using the language.  That's all I need.  I started using Visual Studio in 97/98 and haven't needed anything else ever since.  I have read a book on Java Certification Exams since then but I couldn't become comfortable in and IDE so I was turned off by it.  Even read a book on PHP/MySQL/Apache for Windows (WAMP) (C for the internet - oh joy) and didn't like that either.

I'm employed to develop in VB.net 2003 (soon 2005) with SQL Server.  I have no need nor desire to force myself to like a language that isn't going to pay my bills.

Unless one of YOU are going to pay me to say that I like C or C++, it's not going to happen.  Deal with it.

Your oppinion about a language that you used briefly 15 years ago means nothing to anybody. And thats what everybody is saying, so why do you feel the need to keep repeating it?

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lou_dias wrote:

koaftder wrote:

Your oppinion about a language that you used briefly 15 years ago means nothing to anybody. And thats what everybody is saying, so why do you feel the need to keep repeating it?

Because they keep expecting me to change it as if I should worship the keyboard they type on.

Your opinion is an unpopular one. If you went to democrats.org and ranted on about how great bush is you would get similar feedback. Obviously this just isnt the place to tell the world that you think vb.net is better than c/c++. Sorry, thats just how life works.

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lou_dias wrote:
Nor is it the place to ask for an Amiga OS on Nintendo hardware...  But I did it anyway.

What is interesting is that some who don't agree have also not ever used Visual Studio...atleast I've used C/C++.

I'm supprised... For the longest time i used VisualStudio on my linux c projects because i like the IDE so much. Version 7 was a major improvement over 6 in my opinion. These days i use kDevelop, it's somewhat similiar to VS. Another IDE i use a lot is uVision3 from keil, it's somewhat similar to vs as well.

I wouldnt hold it against somebody for never having used VS though. VS is personally is my favorite, but i'll use what ever is most approprate for the task at hand. There are so many good IDE's out there, in a general sense, it doesnt really matter.

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justthatgood wrote:

Yes Yes Yes I am a Technoid now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

151 Woo Hoo!!!!!

That post number crawls up quite slowly. The only actions that seem to affect it are forumn posts and picture comment posts. Man wouldnt it be sweet if pm's counted against your post score. The only way i'm aware of to quickly increase the count is to post a comment on every pic in the images section. that would bring you up +1700 with a little effort.

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Hyperspeed wrote:
I like what lou_dias likes...

Simply because it annoys you all, ya 'feckers!

So that means you like men?

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I may be one of the strange ones here. I'd like to see a hardcore blend of c and basic. Ive many times set out to impliment this, but never finished up on it. Why not have a basic that has pointers as a datatype?

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If you knew anything about VB.net, you'd realize it is a fully object-oriented language.  You can define parameters in function calls as being passed by reference or by value.  You can create structures as well as classes.  Their is inheritance and polymorphism.  It's event-driven.

You got that right. Ive spent soooo much time in vb6 dealing with bizareness with their oo stuff half implimented. 6 was strange, they never got the oo right. vb.net definately put the argument of vb not doing oo right to rest.

It's excellent.  But because I don't like C, I'm a shyte programmer as 'unchated' likes to point out.  Maybe it's just that I've had a taste of everything already and have come to realize that MICROSOFT actually made an EXCELLENT product and that some of you zealots/geeks are too proud to admit that.

They did make a top notch suite there. As much as us geeks hate to admit it, MS has put out a lot of really great stuff, and fostored a hell of a lot of innovation.

What makes a good programmer is not the language he programs in, but instead the discipline the programmer demonstrates, and that extends to any language.
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FYI, alot of linux programmers use Visual Studio's IDE to write the code then compile it on their native platform's compiler.

yup i was in that boat for quite a while. But msvc doesnt put together a skeleton for your make files. kDevelop does this nice and proper, and a whole lot more, so i've moved over to that for the linux platform.

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Hyperspeed wrote:
Now, now... let's all have a cup of tea and be gentlemanly!

:-D

I'd like to get into programming on Amiga, would it be best to start with something like Blitz Basic 2 or go head first into Storm-C?

I've seen a few applications made with Blitz so I'm assuming it's not just for games (Didn't they make Worms and Super Skidmarks with it?).

I'm assuming you can only begin to learn Assembly when you're a certified recluse...

f the basic. Go for a c compiler. You will want the efficiency of a c compiler on this platform being that resources are so limited. C also gives you the advantage to bang on the hardware wiht inline assembler as well, if you so choose.

Personaly, all ive used on amiga was lattice c compiler, and that hardcore lacked on libs.

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Hyperspeed wrote:
Now, now... let's all have a cup of tea and be gentlemanly!

:-D

I'd like to get into programming on Amiga, would it be best to start with something like Blitz Basic 2 or go head first into Storm-C?

I've seen a few applications made with Blitz so I'm assuming it's not just for games (Didn't they make Worms and Super Skidmarks with it?).

I'm assuming you can only begin to learn Assembly when you're a certified recluse...

Or... You can start smoking crack, at that point youve written what ever your delusions have decided you have written, what could be better than that? Amiga + crack pipe + crack = uberhardcore awsome software  

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Failure wrote:
Gentlemen, I think I haved solved the problem.  I have irrefutable data that proves lou_dias is right.  With this shocking revelation in front of me, I am forced to concede that further studies in computer science are completely pointless since they are based in C++ at my institution.  I will henceforth send a letter to the dean recommending a wholesale switch to VB.NET.  For great justice!

I'm glad I could finally put this argument to rest.  Good day to all, and see you on the MSDN forums!

omg... This is terrible news! I'm going to have to port QEMU over to the 8052 micro so i'll be able to run xp and .net framework. I'll have to interface an ide harddrive to the 8052 and write some virtual memory routines....

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Failure wrote:

adolescent wrote:
Sorry, you forgot the quotes which made quite a difference.

I'm afraid I have to disagree.  Quotes are useless crap which take up space in source code files.  I suppose you'll be wanting to throw semicolons and braces in there too?  My implementation is much cleaner and easy to read, whereas your implementation leads to confusion.

My point remains uncontested!

 :lol:

and you need that extra space in your source files too when half of your statements look like:

blah = system.IO.omg.wtf.somewhereinhereforsure.openfile

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lou_dias wrote:

Just another simple example of why C is ugly and not as simple to read...  Did I format it to your acceptable levels?  Oh I hope I did.   :crazy:

Why did you bother to do this? We all know your oppinion, most of us do not agree with it. C was not designed to cator to a programmer of your skill level.

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lou_dias wrote:

koaftder wrote:

Why did you bother to do this? We all know your oppinion, most of us do not agree with it. C was not designed to cator to a programmer of your skill level.

Because Waccoon is a pest.  Hence I wrote "@Waccoon".  I never said not liking C had to do with anything about skill-level just that it's prone to more logic errors that aren't as easy to find due to it's inherent fugliness...

Now then...

@Waccoon
How did I put brackets in the wrong places if that was all perfectly legal C?  You're reaching again.

All i'm saying is that nobody cares... This is the kind of thread that after reading, it's quite possible for one to know less than they did before they started reading it.

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lou_dias wrote:

uncharted wrote:

justthatgood wrote:
But Geeks rock though.

And I'm still getting a XBox 360 over a Revolution, unless they give me one for FREE.

You'll change your mind though when Nintendo bring out the greatest game ever written by Lou himself in VB.NET  :lol:

Well, since MS has produced MAC software they must have a PPC compiler for Visual Studio, so it's not out of the question...infact, since they use Visual Studio to make 360 games which uses a PPC-based cpu, it's entirely possible, you know, once you pay me to do it.   :-P

hmmm So, since MS has written software for macs, which have a ppc in all but the new ones, i guess you are going to conclude that windows should run on the ppc macintosh? Kind of like if linux can run on the gamecube it should be trivial to run AOS4 on it?

If microsoft can write software for mac then Visual Studio must be able to compile for mac!

Compiling sh*t for one platform to another. Porting os's and crap, it's not hard, just flip some flags and let 'er rip. We are not talking about something difficult here, like writing code in c, this isnt rocket science.

I was talking to lou_dias the other day on the phone. Quote:

Lou_Dias:
Elly D up in tha hizzouse biotch. Yo, represent, i writes all muh boot loader code in vee bee dot net muthafuck4. Malloc, ptthhh, programma please, my junk is tight managed, this is 06 brutha.

Koaftder:
Hows the .net port of aros going?

Lou_Dias:
Tizznight brutha, true dat. Its pimping around the cut up in the piece. With my gold chains and msdn account nothing can stop a killa like me. I keep soldiering along each and every day. So far ive ganked a desktop snapshot of somebodys a1200 setup from a.org and got it as the background bitmap in an mdi app on vb.net. We are goin after a top down design shizzy. We is gonna start off by ripping off the UI, then dig down into the internals, so ive been spending most of my time in mspaint. My homedog jlf65 is workin on pizzorting mono over to aros, so this jank is definately gonna happen. I guess you could say weez hardcore keeping it on the reel.

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lou_dias wrote:

mdma wrote:

I assume from your recent diatribes that by ".NET" you are actually referring to the current release of the language Visual Basic, rather than the web services platform from Microsoft.

Unfortunately for me, I have had the misfortune to use it.  I'd rather have to go back to using EDIT.COM & TASM/TLINK than to have to use it again.

If you have to ask/assume, I still question your experience with it.   The "Web" aspect of it is ASP.NET, never to be confused with VB.NET.  While Visual Studio.Net is the IDE, the languages and features it supports are varied.  Creating "web forms" using ASP.Net his a whole different experience than application development.  They could never be confused so you would never have to assume when someone talks about VB.NET...

Actually its all really easy to confuse. In fact, when all this .Net stuff came into being, microsofts markiting department plastered .Net all over everything. For a good 2 years nobody even knew what i all really ment. Lots of people still dont know or care. After years of it being around, most people have discovered that it's really .VendorLockin and .NotPortable and in 10-15 years it will most likely become .abondoned for something .new

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A better counter-point would be to show me something that can only be done in C and not VB.Net.

Firmware for 8051 @ pic micros. Include an 8bit micro of your choosing. Bios code. Boot loader code. interrupt service routines.

But thats just things that have to be small and run on the hardware. Suppose i was writing a product, and one of the requirements was that it run on both a macintosh and windows. Ohno! Guess i cant pick .Net for that one.

Again, right f'n tool for the job. Your vb.net prong doesnt fit in every project hole, get over it.