Mozilla on AOS4

[Tomas]

That odd... Cause its fast here, both on linux and on windows. Takes a tad longer time to start up than IE, but thats because IE is allready running in memory.... But on browsing, its actually way faster than IE, both browsing and downloads....

[Tomas]

And Opera can you just forger, its not open source, its shareware.... So we wont have any opera unless Opera themself ports it to AmigaOS, which Opera stated clearly that they would not do, cause of the small userbase...

[Tomas]

I know about W3... but if you're making any serious site you make it IE compatible... since 95+ % of the internet is useing IE...

Why do you think 95% uses it? Cause of webmasters like YOU! If webmasters followed the standards, then ppl would actually have a reason to change to a "real" browser like mozilla, which follows the standards, unless m$ themself starts following the standards then.

[Tomas]

mikeymike wrote:
@ Tomas

Why do you think 95% uses it? Cause of webmasters like YOU!

There's a bigger reason before that - MS bundling IE with Windows.

Very true... But if webmasters didnt care too much about the special IE "standards" then ppl would finally see other browsers as a better alternative to IE, since IE dosent render the websites right.

[Tomas]

mikeymike wrote:
@Tomas

Very true... But if webmasters didnt care too much about the special IE "standards" then ppl would finally see other browsers as a better alternative to IE, since IE dosent render the websites right.

Take a look at 99% of Windows user's desktops.  You'll find the default desktop colour background still in use.  What does this tell you? :-)

That the average windows user is totally retard when it comes to computers...  :-)

But anyways... If their belowed IE browser did not work with websites, cause IE dosent follow the standard, then they would be forced to switch browser.

I actually want to block IE from my websites... just to protest.

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mips_proc wrote:
so we SHOULDNT make web pages that use advanced features and work flawless with 95% of the public?...and then try to get  them to download Mozilla (big fat app) on 56K ?

Is 6-12megs a BIG FAT APP?? Including both mail and irc client!! How big do you think your beloved IE is?? If webmasters did follow the standards, instead of coding just for IE, then it would work perfectly in all browser, instead of ONLY working in the buggy "browser" IE... This would force Micro$oft to follow the standards themself, if not.. then they would loose userbase... But i guess you like supporting their monopoly and make the internet only work for ppl running windows... I bet you work for them.

[Tomas]

L8-X wrote:
I agree with Mips on this one, most knowledgable users might go searching for a better browser, and actually pay for it when they find one they like, but most of the time people will be using a flavour of windows and will just use the built in IE, it's there and it works.

(unfortunately!)

Yep... cause stupid webmasters like mips make it work, though the browser crappy.

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Quixote wrote:
mips_proc mentioned:

but for the general public you have to assume their running IE....and from there... avoid doing anything to screw up their IE expierence...

;-) No, you want to make your page crash Internet Explorer if you can, then tell the unhappy campers that the incompatibility is their browser's fault.  That's the way Microsoft did it, anyway...

Actually.... thats the way to do it.. MS has used those dirty tricks for years now, to ensure that their monopoly grow.
We should act back to fight their dirty monpoly before its completly too late...

[Tomas]

mips_proc wrote:
I do support standerds...IE is a standerd... and I would make pages for it...

They use their own standards, which other web browser developers cannot even implement, cause of legal issues... Which means that those sites that use those so called IE standards, wont work on other browsers, unless they make another version for the real browsers.  :-x

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mips_proc wrote:
I dont see any reason to develop to 'standerds' because IE itself is a standerd... and if it works with IE and dosent work well with the others...then thats (at most) 5% who cant view the site...

You dont get it do you?? IE is no fuc*ing standard, w3c is. Its not a god damn standard when only one browser "IE" can use them legally... Even microsoft themself signed to follow the w3c standards, but do they follow them?? NO!! The reason why they do it this way, is to get rid of all other competition...

I really wonder why you even hang out on a Amiga site, when you say only users who run Microsoft products, should be able to browse the web..

[Tomas]

mips_proc wrote:
My point is that there 'realistically' is no competition... 5% combined amongest all browsers other then IE dosent count as competition to me...

Why do you think there isnt any competition? Cause ppl like you force people to use one damn browser to be able to browse your site, you are limiting their freedom to use other Operativsystems, browsers.. And also, just cause the statistics shows that 95% is IE users, dosent mean its right... Did you know that most browsers like opera, mozilla identifies as IE as default? Which is done to bypass the browser check script, that limits the site to just IE, even though it works in other browsers... Thats why...