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Offline mongo

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Re: FPGA Replay Board
« on: July 12, 2013, 04:02:13 AM »
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No way was I selling him my A3000 that had no Kickstart ROM. I sold him the crappy one with the Kickstart 3.0 ROM chip. Yuck. The first thing he had to do was buy a Kickstart 3.1 ROM chip for $50.00.  $50.00 of the Earth's resources were senselessly destroyed by the use of this silly OTP (One-Time-Programmable) technology.   I don't want to destroy the Earth using primitive technology when there exists a better way to do things.


Commodore used mask ROMs not OTP. They cost far less than $50 to make and used less of the Earth's resources than the equivalent amount of RAM would have.

Also, there was no 3.0 for the A3000, and your A3000 had a 1.4 Kickstart ROM in it.
 

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Re: FPGA Replay Board
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2013, 01:15:47 PM »
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Nobody cares how much it cost to make them.  They also have to be ordered by the customer and the customer must pay a profit and the customer must pay for shipping for all these new ROM chips every 2 years.  So yes the cost of stupid ROMS is massively more than just using some RAM and downloading a file.
And yes around $50.00 is what my dad paid to the computer store for his 3.1 ROMS many years ago.


Costing $50 of your dad's money and "$50.00 of the Earth's resources were senselessly destroyed" are two very different things.

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You have completely missed the point.


I'm not sure you had one. You just like to complain.

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The ROMS cost massively more than the equivalent RAM in money, time and natural resources.


No, they don't. You have no idea how expensive RAM used to be.

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First you start with a 2.04 KS
which then had to be upgraded to 2.1
which then had to be upgraded to 3.0
which then had to be upgraded to 3.1
which then had to be upgraded to 3.1 with patches
which then had to be upgraded to 3.1 with even more patches
which then had to be upgrade to 3.1 with newer patches
which then had to be upgraded to 3.1 with still yet newer patches.  Remember there have been countless upgrades to the AmigaOS ROM since 1990.

8 separate ROMS costs a lot more than 512K or 1MB of RAM.

Just the shipping alone to order 8 separate ROMS might be enough to buy the RAM.


Versions of Kickstart available for the A3000 : 1.4, 2.04, 3.1. That's all. There was no 2.1 for any Amiga and 3.0 was for AGA Amigas only, and no 3.1 with patches ROMs were ever released.

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And if you live in any random left-wing country (lets use Britain as an example) then you hafta pay a whopping ridiculous 17.5% sales tax on all 8 of those purchases which means you have to destroy and burn more of the Earth's resources just to pay the tax.  (In fairness my Dad paid 0% sales tax for all his Amiga gear as ripoff sales taxes were illegal in the USA in those days.)


Sales taxes were never illegal in the USA.

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The moral of the story is that Write-Once technologies have their uses but they have many disadvantages.  Better to use Write-Infinite if the cost is close to the same.


No, the moral of the story is you have no idea what you are talking about.

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I have a 3.0 for my A3000 so you are mistaken.  Maybe you are thinking about Kickstart 2.04 which I also have.


Is that for your A3000 that "didn't come with a Kickstart ROM"?