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Modifying Teac FD-235 C291 U5
« on: December 29, 2016, 02:06:55 PM »
I have found this article but it's a bit different than mine:
http://elgensrepairs.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/modding-teac-fd-235-c291-u5-fdd-for.html

Hope someone can help me :hammer:

 

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Re: Modifying Teac FD-235 C291 U5
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2016, 04:24:32 PM »
Quote from: Pat the Cat;818380
VERY fiddly hack. SMD resistors are a real pain to work with.

Get yourrself a few spare resistors of the same value. You are better off sacrificing the component, and concentrate on keeping the solder pads intact. Practice on a scrap electronics board before doing the mod.

The first stage is the hardest. The track cut is the next hardest.

The good news is, your board has all the same marked connectors (DS0, DS1, S6) and the other pins (IC pin 1, floppy connector pins 2 and 34). So it should work.

Surgical scalpel recommended for the track cuts - and doing SMD board work with a standard soldering iron is a real test of skill.

A magnifying glass is better than nothing, but pros use optical zoom gear and similar nicer tools.

Would you please show me on my picture?

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With my soldering skills, this is the way I do it:
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=28&products_id=294


I can't order, gonna cost high for me =/
 

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Re: Modifying Teac FD-235 C291 U5
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2017, 09:43:38 PM »
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Re: Modifying Teac FD-235 C291 U5
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2017, 08:03:28 PM »
Will it really work with any floppy drive?
But I want to use the original Amiga floppy drive as DF0 too.
 

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Re: Modifying Teac FD-235 C291 U5
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2017, 11:29:00 PM »
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If, on the other hand, you want to permanently convert a random PC floppy drive into an Amiga one, just implement the cable signal changes directly onto the drive.

For ID fixing, move the DS1 jumper (0 Ohm "resistor") to the DS0 position.

For DISKCHANGE fixing, backtrack from pin#34 and see which pin of the square FDC controller chip connects to it (verify with a continuity test). This is where DISKCHANGE is produced on the controller.

Cut the traces right behind pin#34 and pin#2 (so that they connect to nothing) and solder a wire from the FDC controller pin you just found to pin#2. This routes DISKCHANGE to the otherwise isolated pin#2.

Solder a diode between pin#8 and the otherwise isolated pin#34 (cathode on pin#8, anode on pin#34). This imitates (*) READY on pin#34, and the conversion is complete (**).


(*) If you want a true READY signal, you'll have to find which pin on the square FDC controller it's produced. The READY signal will be steady at around +5 V when no disk is in the drive (motor idle) and will drop to 0 V about half a second after a disk has been inserted (motor at full speed).
Once the READY pin on the controller chip has been identified, you can connect it directly to the (otherwise isolated) pin#34 and skip the diode altogether.

(**) You can also fix the HD detection switch permanently to the DD position, so the drive behaves as a DD drive at all times.


Thank you very much, I just connected pin 34 straight to pin 4 same as here:
http://elgensrepairs.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/modding-teac-fd-235-c291-u5-fdd-for.html

And it worked! I feel it's quite faster than A2000's floppy drive, just need to cover the HD/DD hole :laughing:
 

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Re: Modifying Teac FD-235 C291 U5
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2017, 04:17:01 AM »
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Cut the traces right behind pin#34 and pin#2 (so that they connect to nothing) and solder a wire from the FDC controller pin you just found to pin#2. This routes DISKCHANGE to the otherwise isolated pin#2.

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That would be pin 2

But pin2 is connected to the IC :confused:
 

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Re: Modifying Teac FD-235 C291 U5
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2017, 05:05:33 PM »
Quote from: BLTCON0;830359
Alright, if you don't believe what I say, re-read the guide at http://elgensrepairs.blogspot.co.uk/...5-fdd-for.html and tell me where exactly pin 4 is mentioned.



So? If it wasn't connected to the IC, would there even be a point in saying "cut the trace" ? The very goal is totally *isolating* this pin from whatever false pin on the IC it may currently be connected to and then routing DISKCHANGE onto it.


Pin4 is connected to S6 which is connected to nothing. Pin2 is connected to S4 which is connected to nothing too.
Then I cut the trace from pin34 that was connected to IC and soldered the IC pin to pin2 as you said.
But I soldered pin34 to pin4 same as what he was done rather than pin8+diode you were told me.
Here's the photo: http://i.imgur.com/DoWoBwu.jpg

If it's wrong, I can solder it to pin8 with diode =/
 

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Re: Modifying Teac FD-235 C291 U5
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2017, 07:28:24 PM »
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@RiP
The instructions I posted are generic and can be applied to any drive. I can't possibly know what signal is enabled by jumper S6 or S-anything on your specific drive, or what possibly obscure and non-standard connections some pins may have.

Hence the "dictator" instructions: either you follow them to the letter and ensure a specific behaviour for the drive, or you end up with a possibly unpredictable result.

To sum up:
0. ID jumper must be set for DS0
1. pins 2 and 34 must be perfectly isolated (if necessary, by cutting traces)
2. DISKCHANGE (from the IC) must be routed to pin2
3. READY (from the IC) must be routed to pin34. If no READY exists or is tough to discover, you can alternatively do the pins 8-34 diode trick to imitate it.

Thank you, is there anyway to fully check if the drive has modified correctly or not?
 

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Re: Modifying Teac FD-235 C291 U5
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2017, 09:09:46 AM »
Thanks, then READY signal should be connected to a pin from IC too.
And how to measure 5V? I need to know the 2nd -5V to connect multimeter.
 

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Re: Modifying Teac FD-235 C291 U5
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2017, 05:09:38 PM »
Well, diode method didn't work for other versions of FD-235.
Are you sure about pin8?

 

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Re: Modifying Teac FD-235 C291 U5
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2017, 10:19:54 PM »
Ah, it was DD/HD issue. It seems they're working fine with Skweek now :)
 

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Re: Modifying Teac FD-235 C291 U5
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2017, 03:22:29 PM »
I feel the diode method makes loading slow =/
 

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Re: Modifying Teac FD-235 C291 U5
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2017, 08:40:32 PM »
Quote from: BLTCON0;830329
(*) If you want a true READY signal, you'll have to find which pin on the square FDC controller it's produced. The READY signal will be steady at around +5 V when no disk is in the drive (motor idle) and will drop to 0 V about half a second after a disk has been inserted (motor at full speed).
Once the READY pin on the controller chip has been identified, you can connect it directly to the (otherwise isolated) pin#34 and skip the diode altogether.


I'll try to find it :)
 

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Re: Modifying Teac FD-235 C291 U5
« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2017, 09:20:20 PM »
Quote from: BLTCON0;830329
(*) If you want a true READY signal, you'll have to find which pin on the square FDC controller it's produced. The READY signal will be steady at around +5 V when no disk is in the drive (motor idle) and will drop to 0 V about half a second after a disk has been inserted (motor at full speed).
Once the READY pin on the controller chip has been identified, you can connect it directly to the (otherwise isolated) pin#34 and skip the diode altogether.

Are you sure about +5V ?
I found a pin which has no voltage at all but loads Skweek without any problem.
 

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Re: Modifying Teac FD-235 C291 U5
« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2017, 10:54:17 PM »
It seems these Teac drives have no Ready signal. Is it possible? =/
http://www.iobium.com/9100a%20tester/9100atester.htm

Edit: I think these helped me too, will test more later:

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