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Re: New Commodore Invictus from Commodore USA
« Reply #14 from previous page: May 28, 2010, 05:36:22 PM »
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There nothing better than free marketing.

Speaking of which, have any of you seen any actual marketing efforts from Commodore USA, other than getting people post to blogs and forums about it?


I post here voluntarily as a Commodore fan. Some people might be interested. Perhaps I'll know better next time. Maybe I'll never learn. Oh well. Nothing lost, except time posting.

Commodore haven't officially launched yet, but there was no point in waiting until then, when some products are already in place. Advertising hasn't even started and there has already been significant response. The current site is merely for research purposes. You don't like this whole effort. Fine. You're all sounding like a bunch of George Lucas haters lamenting the new Starwars trilogy. Fine. It doesn't mean it wont be successful. I'm sorry you can't share in my excitement and hope for this new Commodore enterprise.
 

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Re: New Commodore Invictus from Commodore USA
« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2010, 06:02:06 PM »
Ok @abbub
How do you recreate a Commodore 64? I'm listening.

Not one of those lame Webit things with a c64 emulator and a browser I hope.
You want something that evokes the spirit of the C64...then how?
How can you do it differently to what everyone else is doing.
You want Commodore to go into the OS business. The perfect OS... where is it then?
Hell, if Hyperion had an x86 version of AmigaOS, you don't think Commodore wouldn't come calling?

You want what people will regard as "just another unix", with a bit of retro eye-candy on top. But how is that different? You could make yet another Linux distro. But so what. At least AROS has retro going for it and being a clone of Commodore's AmigaOS is something at least. It lacks things but is developing quickly and modern enough to be used today. It's simple and lightening quick, and I thought that was what we all loved about AmigaOS.
 

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Re: New Commodore Invictus from Commodore USA
« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2010, 08:18:36 PM »
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Oh and I wouldn't count on OS X, Apple has removed support for the Atom processor.
The MacOSX compatiblity is with the Commodore 64bit Phoenix.
I wasn't suggesting MacOSX as an OS for the Commodore Invictus.
 

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Re: New Commodore Invictus from Commodore USA
« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2010, 08:59:32 PM »
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In the name of this openness, lets also link to:
Commodore Gaming disavows Commodore USA (and its decals)

My favorite part:

To clarify for the umpteenth time. They disavow Commodore USA and its decals, because Commodore Gaming *don't* actually have the rights to give to Commodore USA. A so-called journalist comes along and Commodore Gaming goes all Shultz "I know nuttin... nuttin". And this is suddenly a headline. WTF. Now that Commodore USA is talking to the right people, has talked to the right people, and only needs to sign on the dotted line, why are we still talking about this? The contract is all there, they're just working out the little details, options and exact figures. These things don't seem to go as snappy as everyone would like and I am sure lawyers make a killing from these kinds of things. It's only a couple of weeks away, for crying out loud.

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Your purchase, according to the site, "will not be branded with the Commodore logo or markings. These self-adhesive logo label plates will be shipped to you at no charge when they are available."

They already have an arrangement for the logos in the meantime, and the logos are pre-attached to the machine now.
There are no stickers that you need to stick on yourself. You are referring to what was on the site from a couple of months ago and those units were considered pre-orders.
Are you suggesting it is wrong to tell people what is going on and what to expect. It hasn't been there for weeks at least.
To all intents and purposes the trademark negotiations are not really holding up anything. It will be all wrapped up well before the official launch Commodore are considering.
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Re: New Commodore Invictus from Commodore USA
« Reply #18 on: May 28, 2010, 09:26:56 PM »
@Piru
Fine with me. What can I say?
They should rush the deal through just so you will buy one. ;-)
They come with totally legal logos right now with the rightsholders permission. Otherwise you would see a lawsuit of some kind. But you don't. If you are so afraid they won't keep the trademark rights for whatever reason. Maybe you should hurry up and buy one while you can. ;-)
 

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Re: New Commodore Invictus from Commodore USA
« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2010, 09:31:50 PM »
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BTW is there confirmation that they actually have this permission?

No lawsuit doesn't count as one.
Arrrgh.. I'm going to bed. I've had enough.
I'll be sure to give the rights holders your e-mail so they can clear it with you. ;-)
 

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Re: New Commodore Invictus from Commodore USA
« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2010, 08:18:07 PM »
I am sure I am going to regret this.
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Your right this just keeps getting better.
 
Looks like commodore usa's 5 point plan for success is failing.
 
1) Copy your marketing and website from apple almost word for word.
Yeah...that was rather unfortunate. I've been nagging for him to change that for ages.
He says it was meant as a template and he never got around to changing it.
Still, I would hardly call it a criminal offense.
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2) Imply your creating a new computer when all your doing is slapping a sticker on a cybernet zpc that says commodore, even when you have no rights to do so.
We've been over this several times, and if you don't like the answer there is no use whining over and over. So many well known brands do this re-branding thing with their appliances and devices. Get over it.
As to the bit about the rights. What would you know? You don't know he doesn't have the rights to do so. Perhaps you don't come from a country that believes in innocent until proven guilty.
I am satisfied that there is a negotiation going on. I don't have any idea if it will be successful. That's the nature of negotiations.
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3) Imply your creating another new commodore computer when your just taking another off the shelf computer and slapping your fake commodore stickers on them.
I don't think they're fake stickers by the way. Not that I've seen one yet.
Maybe, I'll be able to scoop that too, when my Phoenix arrives.
As to their legality, I'm confident that there is an arrangement.
You can doubt, but you are still making an accusation that is not based on any evidence.
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4) Send your monkeys to post in commodore and amiga sites hoping to
make a buck with your scam.
He didn't effing ask me to do this. He had no idea. I posted here of my own accord.
I saw a new computer on the CommodoreUSA site and thought it would be worth sharing.
Later, when I wanted some more details I shot him an e-mail.
I've been a member here since 2004, and I had a scoop to share.
I object to being called a monkey. That was uncalled for.
It's about as baseless as me calling you one of Hyperion's monkeys for getting on Commodore's case.
You're so eager to see conspiracy theories where there are none.
As to making a buck.... I really don't see how.... but if I did something worth money I'd expect to be paid I guess. Although quite frankly, I just want a Commodore company to finally break away and succeed again. Must I apologise for being a fanboy now?
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5) Start lying about buying the rights or negociating for the rights to the commodore name after you get caught red handed using the name without the legal rights to do so.
Huh? I don't even see what he could possibly gain by lying....
And the red handed stuff....from who? If you're talking about that Commodore Gaming kerfuffle. I already explained it. I wouldn't take anything you read in these gadget sites seriously. They're not real journalists and they're just trying to generate page hits.
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Whats ausieben the huge fan of this jackoff  got to say now?
 
Steven
I dunno....what can I say?
I'm unimpressed with your analysis?
You're obviously trying to get a rise from me?
What do you want me to do?
Stoop to your level of name calling?
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Re: New Commodore Invictus from Commodore USA
« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2010, 09:13:38 PM »
@the_leander

:-)

It'll heal.

Thanks for my new desktop wallpaper. ;-)
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Re: New Commodore Invictus from Commodore USA
« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2010, 05:02:00 PM »
@Amiga_Nut
Not arguing about anything in particular... way too much to sift through in your post at this time in the morning.

About an Amiga successor. Out of interest.....

Is an Amiga successor more about having an Amiga OS experience, or is it about playing the most technologically advanced games? Or is it both? Or is it actually none of these?

And depending on your answer, is what you are wanting more like an AmigaOne X1000 or more like a Commodore Phoenix? I use these two as an example because obviously they are remnants of the famous brands that led to the discussion in this thread. It is why we are here discussing this. This is an honest question. I am not saying this to flame...

If it is about having an Amiga OS experience....then yes, you might be interested in the AmigaOne to run AmigaOS4. Or you could track down an old Apple box for MorphOS.
Then again, nothing is stopping you from running AROS, with ROMS for classic software compatibility if you like, on any PC, and all of these Commodore machines are likely to have native AROS hardware support as well. I've got a 2.9Ghz Phoenix on the way to my door which I am sure will make a ripper AROS box, and you can't tell me an Invictus isn't a more compelling choice than a SAM (and arguably even an X1000 for that matter).

If it is purely about playing the latest console like games, then your best bet is to run a Windows game on PC hardware. The Commodore Phoenix is no killer game machine unfortunately, but I'm pretty sure it is capable of running a recent FPS through Windows at a fairly playable frame-rate. And you would need to run Windows because there is bugger all chance of any popular console-like games ever being ported to Linux let alone an Amiga&alike OS anyway. Further to that, the Invictus with its Nvidia ION chipset will also be a pretty decent games machine for the casual gamer.

If it is both, then if you were to load a fully native AROS on your PC....and then could easily boot into Windows to play the latest console like games, which are typically first person shooters... is this not more in line with the Amiga spirit? Is this not a more versatile experience?

So at the end of the day, exercising some pragmatism, what seems the better option?
I'd love to have an X1000 but I am fairly certain my Commodore Phoenix will have cost me around half their asking price, and actually provided me with a superior computing, and more importantly, Amiga like, experience from a brand I grew up with and love. You don't need a Commodore to do this of course, but I still think it is nice. I don't think I am wrong in thinking that. It's all a matter of taste anyway.
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Re: New Commodore Invictus from Commodore USA
« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2010, 06:02:30 PM »
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If you are a gamer none of the wanna-be Commodore USA products would be of any interest.
You're absolutely right about the gamer bit. This isn't pitched at hardcore gamers anyway. No-one would expect a computer in a keyboard to do that would they.

Cybernet sold to businesses and the rest are fairly new products so saying they haven't flown off shelves is....I dunno....warrantless speculation.

I don't know what Barry's future plans are. I think computer keyboards and Commodore go together and are a sufficient niche.
 

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Re: New Commodore Invictus from Commodore USA
« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2010, 06:32:29 PM »
@DaNi
Huh? What are you talking about?
You mean the Amigo right?
 

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Re: New Commodore Invictus from Commodore USA
« Reply #25 on: June 04, 2010, 08:09:18 PM »
Really?? Where did you see that information?
(edit: You're pulling my leg aren't you...)
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Re: New Commodore Invictus from Commodore USA
« Reply #26 on: June 07, 2010, 03:53:28 PM »
I just found out that the touch screen, apart from providing media player options, can be used as a second display screen or mirror parts of the primary screen. You could also use the stylus to paint in a paint program or even sign things if the mood takes you. I am pretty sure you can use it for gestures as well. That all sounds cool to me.

This is not a cut price Commodore for kiddies and it is not a gaming powerhouse. This is a niche item for grown-ups who grew up with Commodore, which you will need to pay a premium for. It might not be for you specifically, but I found it appealing and I know others do/will too, regardless of whether *you* think that is nuts or not.