Is Hyperion the new Amiga Inc.?

[the_leander]

I got a E in GCSE English :banana:  (thank god for spell checker on the computer other wise you would have a lot more to laugh at.)



Plan to take a english course up very soon to improve, so no offense taken, as I know I'm bad.

Quick and dirty guide to making things more readable: Where you would take a breath during a sentence, add a comma. When covering something related to the previous sentence use a full stop.

When moving to a new topic start it off as a fresh paragraph.

(Yes, I too felt the cries of many pedants out there crying out in agony, but fuck it.)

So, your original post might look something like this:

I find it funny that a lot of people are surprised that the official AmigaOS developers (weather you like it or not) moaned and complained about the unofficial AmigaOS 'very inspired' releases, it is after all their main competition.

It would have been nice if they had been a bit more friendly and tried to work together, but I think partly because there is money involved and lawyers (what is it about the Amiga that attracts lawyer, they must like the legal mess, maybe its a nice challenge for them) rather than see it as evil competition scam braking copyright laws as I'm sure they could of worked something out and work together.

At the very least on the hardware side supporting the same hardware to boost sales (I on about MorpthOs and AmigaOS here) threatening legal action is I think they are starting to realise is only going to annoy the community who like all the options and just want the best Amiga experiences they can have weather it MorpthOS, Aros, or maybe in some people eyes BeOS, I think Trever being in charge of Aeon was a wise call, because he said it before, he just like OS4 more but loves all the other efforts and supports them, just he support his main interest more by hopefully bring us the best ppc amiga you can buy.

I really wish there was a way to to get MorpthOS and Aros on the machine so we could finally have a all in one Amiga to support but there are still people who live in the past and dont let bygone be bygone, and I'm on about OS4 and MorthOS team.

Yes, I also did some other very minor alterations there too for clarities sake.

Honestly mate, the best way to get a better working understanding of language is to read books, as many as you can. It'll help expand your vocabulary not to mention your imagination. If you're a bit stuck for books or, like me skint, then I would suggest the Gutenburg project as it has tens of thousands of free (legally so) books.

Happy reading and good luck with your course when you do it!

[the_leander]

I don't care about avatars but the point i was trying to make was a new member arrogantly calling members 'self confessed know it alls' whos voices are influential on a.org probably isn't a good idea for future relations. Remember first impressions last. I don't think older members have the right to bully new members but i believe some members opinions count for more than others (except for Karlos) and new members should know their place.

Your point is valid even if your initial post wasn't that hot. As for Hattig, well that figures. As for slanderous comments in this thread, don't think so. Hyperion has been a blight from the get go and deserve everything they get.

If something truly is slanderous, I'm sure Hermans would be only too pleased at seeing another pay cheque this decade via litigation over it.

As far as developer numbers go, I wouldn't trust any numbers given out unless they came with specifics as to the sorts of hours put in, certainly over the years there have been a number public resignations over issues such as pay.

[the_leander]

"that figures"? Pray continue. Please. I am interested to hear what you have to say.

I truly doubt that, but hey maybe there is a first time for everything.

Hyperion have been a blight on those that want AmigaOS dead by keeping it alive.

You have a truly odd definition of alive. Take a peak at what the Amiga community had around in terms of hardware and software developers in 2000 and compare it to now. Go on. Get back to us only when you've made that comparison.

Some might claim it takes them a long time to do updates, and that the core OS is still steeped in 80's architectural fail,

It's actually taken them longer to develop OS4 so far than it it did to go from 2.04-3.0-3.1 as well as the total amount of time it took H&P to develop 3.5 and 3.9, give it a year or two more and chances are it'll have taken longer than all of them combined if it hasn't already.

Which if you read the court docs you'd find much of the work converting the  68k assembler and other even more obscure language dependencies such as bcpl to straight C code had already been done with the latter two.

Even if Hyperion had to start again from scratch with just basic 3.1 source, consider the amount of time H&P had and what they did, and how long it's taken Hyperion to essentially perform the same trick. And before you point to OS4 being primarily aimed at something other than classic hardware, consider it took the morphOS crowd about the same time to get their first releases out of the door in the same sort of time frame as H&P as well.

 but at least they've done something.

Yeah, buy up valuable software such as Opus Magellen so as to stop others from gaining (read: MorphOS) thus shitting on the very people they are supposed to be servicing: The community. That's just one example, others are available on this very thread.

But to address this more thoroughly: "At least they've done something" is a complete nonsense. They have been a truly divisive factor within the community since they got the contract to do OS4 and their track record both toward partners and competitors stands as a stark testament to that fact.

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This "at least they've done something argument reminds me of those who harp on about the evils of medicine on the basis of them not being natural.

You know what's natural? Ebola.

"Natural", just like "something" doesn't necessarily mean "good for you".

[the_leander]

I thought Andreas Loong (Guru Meditation) bought the rights to Magellan, not Hyperion?

If I'm wrong on that I'll happily stand corrected on the matter.

[the_leander]

You're not wrong. Before Andreas bought a three-year license to do development on DOpus (that license expired in 2007) Hyperion had contracted to buy the license. However, Hyperion never paid.

http://system-log.com/?p=1363

"The answer from Dr.Greg Perry :
We made a number of attempts to work with developers continuing with Amiga development to further develop Directory Opus for the Amiga line. Initially we signed a contract with Hyperion for licensing and development but they proved to be, well to be blunt, dishonest and untrustworthy, not what one expected in the Amiga world:). Even after repeated requests and discussions over six months after they signed the contract they refused to honour the deal and make payments for the licence as agreed. While I have no direct evidence but considering the fact that they widely promoted the deal and their future development plans, it has been suggested to us by a few that they were never serious about development and their behaviour was a stalling tactic to boost their profile and keep the product out of the hands of their competitors. This dragged on for a long time until we decided to cancel the contract out of frustration at their conduct."

Ouch. Also thanks for the confirmation

[the_leander]

Ah, here we come to the real reason some people are bitching about Hyperion.

You keep telling yourself that sunbeam.

[the_leander]

Whatever. So what are your points that you're alluding to? Or just winding people up for a laugh?

I've already given you a few of them and even provided a specific example which Jorkany was kind enough to provide citation for.

Your response to that was to ignore everything said and turn to quote mining.

Like I said in regard to your response to Kesa: Typical.

[the_leander]

Hermans stepped down couple of years ago (as I recall he got a job in a Belgian law company) but came back around A-eon press release last year. He has been somewhat active between as I have seen him logging on to IRC.

So far as I can tell Ben is the only employee of Hyperion, all the developers seem to be contractors, they in turn licence the compiled code (though not the source or the ownership rights) back to Hyperion in lieu of pay. I suspect that latter part plays a major role in why OS4 development has been so glacial - with developers leaving for jobs that actually pay, Hyperion are left with potentially flawed bits of code they're legally not allowed to alter and thus have to re-implement all over again.

[the_leander]

My objection here is more to the idea expressed by multiple people in this thread that their behavior is somehow justified by their producing a product for the Amiga community, like their usefulness in one regard gives them carte blanche to get away with whatever FUDding and contract shenanigans they feel like. That is not an acceptable excuse, never has been, and never will be.

QFMFT++

Best post of the thread, by far.