Excitement about NatAmi

[the_leander]

This thread is funny!!

I also can't help but think this thread is biased.

There is no such thing as unbiased. Only things that chime with your own biases.

This wouldn't be the first time concerns about how the project was being handled got brought up.

Is cammy really a girl? This is the last place i would expect to find a girl

Does it matter?

[the_leander]

I have to admit that I didn't know about the iffy project manglement with regards tothose trying to help. I posted earlier that people who did nothing had no right to complain.

Actually they do have the right to pass comment on something regardless of their involvement.

I do not have to own an X1000 to say that there are fundamental flaws in the concept. I don't have to work in the banking industry to say that the whole sector has learned precisely sweet FA. Etc etc...

I would like to see a reply from a current member of the team on this point however as I don't like to damn anyone without hearing both sides of things. Any takers?

Good luck with that. About the most vocal person you'll find on Amiga forums about the Natami these days outside of their own forums is Atheist2, who is most often found on Moobunny on account of having been banned from pretty much everywhere else. Not a good example of someone you'd like to discuss things with probably.

[the_leander]

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Nevermind - didn't see that there was a second page.

[the_leander]

No I agree with this. I think people have the right to say anyhting they like. And this includes hurtful, personal , damaging things. But thats another topic
 
Edit:  i was replying to the leander who has now changed his post

Gotta love it, eh?

[the_leander]

I see American and not English is your mother tongue.

There is nothing sexist about asking someone to "dish" details. :sigh:

I believe "dish" would translate to "spill" or "spill it" in the US vernacular.

LTNS Nik, btw nice find with that slowed down U Smile. Hows things?

[the_leander]

Yes, they tortured and burnt many of my family during the inquisitions so I can't say I care much for them.

Holy crap, and I though I could hold a grudge! :roflmao:

[the_leander]

Suddenly things are interesting again

[the_leander]

AGA not working then, why video of all non AGA games ?

Because the minimigAGA core hasn't been released yet?

[the_leander]

Do you know I was thinking along very similar lines

Check your PM's

[the_leander]

I guess being utterly skintipoos, I don't really have anything to loose as far as a libel action goes.

[the_leander]

You think thats bad, should read his contribution to OS4 related threads.

You want to provide some citation for that, or are you just going for the adhom?

im a troll

Yes, yes you are.

[the_leander]

i guess basically i'm saying that a large stfu is in order.

No U.

[the_leander]

- NATAMI is DDR2 in burst mode 100% of the time with a larger and faster fpga, 100x blitter speed,

I hope you're going to back this and the rest of your figures with some benchmarks, right? Because as it stands this is purely theoretical. And of course this hangs on the presumption that the emulation is up to snuff.

And no "my friend the developer close to the project" doesn't count as evidence.

 100MHz 060 minimum,

Hahahahaha. Good luck sourcing many of those at anything like a reasonable cost. Hell you could probably buy an ARM A8 and emulate 68k faster for significantly less.

 room for extra chips/cores to add 3D processing; overall system power between a PS1 and a PS2...itching closer to PS2.

Citation needed.

Natami is being developed with the future in mind, not a simple emulation of the past.

You are Theirry and I claim my 5 pounds.

[the_leander]

Remember that the team gets to buy their systems first for testing purposes.  By the time you can buy the production model, the '050 softcore may be already running 100% performance and the team will be working on the N68070 to be superscalar on top of that.

So what you're saying is, it's incomplete/unproven.

Right, that's all I needed to know. Get back to me when it's ready.

I don't listen to "maybes" any more.

BTW, if you try to run UAE on an ARM Cortex A8 (such as the Pandora), you'll see that it typically trips over itself and delivers roughly stock A1200 performance.

UAE !=  just 68k emulation. Comparison fail sir. Emulating the AGA chipset is a very processor intensive operation.

For the fastest '060 read the clock speed of this and weep:http://www.natami.net/gfx/NAe60F/NAe60F_1.jpg

And? Bernd Meyer of Amithlon fame was getting ~50% performance out of the 68k emulation he was using and by his own admission both the OS4 and MorphOS 68k emulations were far superior to his.

It's simple math.  with a 3.67Mhz clock and 16 bit bus, how fast does a real Amiga move RAM?  Now figure the speed of DDR2 which in burst moves what 8 bytes at once and there is cache to throttle it as well.  Infact, for A500 games compatibility there will be a 3.67Mhz mode...

I asked for a citation, ie, benchmarks. This isn't it. And given that none of this has actually been proven, it's all academic.

No one claimed '060's were cheap nor that NATAMI will be cheap.  Read the faq
http://www.natami.net/qa.htm

There is not cheap and holy shit that's pricey! There is a very real danger that if it is too expensive it'll price itself out of the market. See the reaction to the X1000 for details.

If I was in on the bet, you'd owe me money...

I'd owe you sweet FA chum.

[the_leander]

@the_leander
Can you prove to me the sun will rise tomorrow?
Mathematically, if all goes to plan it will.  However, it could go super nova over night...

Strawman.

Seriously, stop being ignorant.

I ask you (repeatedly) for evidence to back up your assertions and you utterly refuse to supply them, then you accuse me of ignorance? GTFO!

Until it is released, all your claims are just that - claims.

SamuraiCrow at least had the good sense to coach much of his response as something he hoped for rather than fact.

But oh yeah, you can't buy the LX board so is vapor.

Fixed.

Yes. Given the history of this community and all the hardware that never moved beyond prototyping (or even got that far). This is the only reasonable position to take.