PC still playing Amiga catchup

[the_leander]

So in short, yes you can "boot" an 040 system without the library, but it really isn't worth it.

I stand corrected.

My system had any number of patches that necessitated the need for the MMU's presence. Having to loose most of the performance both in terms of software patches and hobbling the cpu would imho be as bad as it simply not booting - the result would be much the same as I wouldn't be able to use half of the software I owned at the time. Also having to pray that none of the software I could still use called one of those unsupported instructions does not inspire confidence.

[the_leander]

I don't see why amigaksi can't acknowledge the Catweasel Mk IV, I assume it has it's own clock/timer on board.:bitch:

Because that'd blow his argument up! Don't you follow this thread? He's being "objective" - which apparently means you have to dismiss any information that is contrary to your position and call anyone who points this out biased.

:laughing:

[the_leander]

You are the one correcting yourself

Yes, yes I did, because I didn't consider booting up with a comprimised OS.

and you're the one who is baised

There's that word again. You truly do not know what that word means. I've stated my position, but I'll be clearer for the headstickers among us:

I do not give a rats ass what platform I use so long as it runs the software I need in an acceptable fashion. Towards this end I could use an SGI workstation, a Sun workstation, an IBM workstation, a Mac, or a PC running any of the BSDs, Linux or even Windows. It makes no difference to me so long as it's stable and reasonably fast.

How is the above bias? Oh yes, that's right, it's bias because I don't agree with your unsubstantiated nonsense, that's how.

exaggerating minor differences

Those same minor differences you absolutely lambasted the PC for. Either way the point remains, if you write software that uses functions specific to the 68000, there is an ever increasing risk of them not working at all with each successive model in that series unless you have software emulation to paper over the cracks - something you claimed (repeatedly I might add) was not necessary at all.

and dare speak of "objectivity."

I do so dare. I'm not the one making claims that cannot be backed up, further I'm willing to be corrected when I mess up. Anything less is a clear sign of a fanatic (or a retard, much the same tbh).

So, where are the figures to back up your claims? What's that? You don't have any? Well that's a shocker!

You have first BE OBJECTIVE before you can accuse others

I am. The difference is that I, along with most of the rest of the English speaking world have a very different understanding of what that word means. To you it seems to mean "you are objective and unbiased only if you agree with me, no matter how far off the ball I am".

hyprocrite.

Given your p-poor understanding of the words objective and bias, I'm not that worried about you calling me other names.

[the_leander]

The laptop is standard, albeit top of the range CPU. The laptop comes as standard with a 24bit 48Khz audio interface! Something that you can't get for the Amiga at all (which even with expensive hardware never got beyond 16bit @44100Hz.

The is no FireWire for amiga, thus no good audio interfaces

Asus F5R comes with a Realtec chip that is also capable of 24bit 48khz (there is another option for 24bit 96khz but I've never tried it). The F5R can be had for less then £400. So yes, audio wise, Bloodline's mac is standard.

Btw stefcep2, I have to say I really don't recognise the stutter you're talking about.

[the_leander]

The stutter is there on my machine, but I'm certain if i could just get a video card that had 512 MB video ram, or a quadcore CPU or a SSD it would disappear..

Are you using Aero by any chance?

Why? Because the real world isn't a digital one. Digital sound, and video will always be an approximation.

Have to say, from my own perspective, digital terrestrial TV (freeview), both in terms of sound and picture quality is very much clearer here then analogue is. Not quite the difference between VHS and DVD, but not far off. Not ever having owned a massive telly I can't comment on artifacts. Perhaps you should have the TV dialed in professionally. From what you're describing it sounds like your contrast, brightness and sharpness levels are set waaay too high.

[the_leander]

i DID have aero on, but even with it off, especially when there is any hard drive activity, there is a delay-albeit slight- in the start menu opening or menus dropping down from the menu bar.  Look its not something that i can't live with it, it just doesn't feel as responsive as what I am used to on Amiga, and IMO with all the raw hardware power, I expect it not to happen at all.  Amy be my expectations are too high.

Hmmm, oddness. I know the 9200 is right at the low end with regard Aero compatability, but assuming it has 128 or even 256mb of it's own ram it should be plenty... Mind if I mull over this a bit? I might be able to provide a solution that'll be far less costly then having to buy new kit.

Digital no doubt is clearer in the sense that you don't get any ghosting, or snow like you do with analogue when the signal weakens.

What I'm talking about are definately digital compression artifacts.  I see the same thing with display TV's at retailers, and Pay TV booths in shopping centres, even with the newest panels with 1080i.  Its due to the way that fast moving objects like football players
are displayed in front of the background grass: there's a lot of quick variation in color between where the outline of the player ends and the background begins, and the system has to interpolate an in-between color or two, resulting in a fringe.  If you also look at the crowd moving past in the background as the camera follows a player, its basically shown as blocky incomprehensible mess, again due to compression interpolation of fast moving regions.  This is also visible on DVD IF you have fast moving action like watching sport.This has been especially noticeable in the Confederations Cup in Sth Africa at the moment.  Initially I thought it was my TV doing the scaling but it happens on all the TV's I've watched on display

So it's an upscaling problem then? I know a lot of cheeper dvd players have this issue and all but a few of the freeview/freesat/sky boxes are the same... I have heard of really good upscaling dvd players from Philips, as far as freeview boxes go I don't know. I'll concede on this one however - unless the upscale is done well it will look shockingly bad, especially on a large panel. I've not heard any recomendations for digiboxes that do it well either tbh.

Lowering the contrast and brightness a touch might help in the meantime reduce the obviousness of it. But you're right in as much as poor upscalling will make it look a propper dogs dinner.

[the_leander]

AT keyboards with DIN5 are gone for good and they went a long time before joysticks for gameports or gameports.  Joysticks for gameports are still being sold.

I'm sure that gameport joysticks are being sold, look hard enough and you'll probably find niche venders supplying AT keyboards too. Hell, you can still buy megadrive 9 pin pads if you look around. That does not however change the fact that no PC has shipped with such a port for the better part of half a decade or more.

They got rid of the gameport knowing people can still use USB so they had some thought about it but still playing catch-up to Amiga with its superior joystick interface.

Oh lawdy, where to start...

First off, you have yet to prove your own claims about the Amiga's 9pin port. I'm sorry to say, but until you do that, everything else is null and void.

Second off, USB is more flexable, faster in every sense of the word then the Amigas joystick ports (not withstanding your claims thus far) and more capable then all of the Amiga's expansion ports combined - none offer the flexability that USB does.

And finally: You have been shown how to provide the backup to your speed claims, are you going to actually test them or just keep on repeating the same old debunked rubbish?