amigadave wrote:
the_leander wrote:
I think you'll find that you have misrepresented what has been said, not that it cannot be done in theory, but it will not be done because the resources simply aren't there.
No, my statement said nothing about what can, or can't be done in theory and it is pretty accurate in regard to what is going on in this thread.
I think you need to get your prescription checked - clearly we are reading different things.
amigadave wrote:
Tell me how you can predict what resources will be available in the future?
It's called probability, backed up with a very sharp memory of what has happened to get us here. When the odds get big enough, the chances of something happening will eventually become so small as to effectively render them impossible for all intents and purposes.
Now, on the hugely unlikely possiblity that someone, somewhere, with stacks of cash and mean ass lawyers come along, wrestle the Amiga IP away from the current criminals who hold it, then, and only then, might there be a possibility of change. But even then, it is far more likely that a C=One or that C= Joystick would be the resulting product rather then an Amiga Inspired Desktop killer OS. Which I might add, Bloodline has already correctly pointed out is a market that has already been won.
amigadave wrote:
New technologies and ideas are happening all the time, but you have a very narrow view of what could be possible for an AmigaOS in the future,
Wrong, by the very nature of the AmigaOS, understanding it's capabilities and its shorcommings, the fact that the market is changing means that the AmigaOS is becomming less and less relevant as a desktop OS, indeed, the concept of a desktop is beginning to change itself with the advent of the Netbook. With each of these changes in the market, the amount of work that would be required to shoehorn the AmigaOS into it increases exponentially. At some point, you have to accept that the Amiga has no place in the modern age beyond that of a hobbyist machine or even just as a toy.
amigadave wrote:
even when others point out that they are not talking about completion in months or even a year. [ We all know that it can't be done overnight and quoting what has been completed by a few over the last 7 years does not automatically mean that the same pattern will persist over the next 7 years.
I've followed 2 major reimplimentations of OS's, AROS and Haiku. I have also seen the Refit of an OS, Zeta, which was based on the original BeOS code itself.
Haiku and Zeta took 7 years to get where they were, Zeta, even with the head start of having the code available, wasn't able to come up with an answer that realistically could survive in the current OS marketplace as anything other then a hobbiest system, Haiku, initiated as Be's ashes were still glowing, has taken since 2001 to get to early Alpha stage. AROS took even longer (though to be fair, there was a damn sight more work needed to get it to where it is today over Haiku).
Understanding how fast these projects take, one can reasonably extrapolate that with the same amount of funding, how long a project doing a similar thing, will take. It's not rocket science.
amigadave wrote:
It could mean that the direction over the last 7 years has not been the right one and more "resources" might have been available had several choices been made differently. As for Hiaku and AROS, I don't see that they have inspired the majority of Amiga users to jump at supporting either of them as their OS of choice for the future.
Most Amiga users woke up around 2002-2003 and went to other platforms, I went to BeOS, later Zeta and Haiku, many went to linux, most went to Windows and Mac.
But there you have it, neither AROS or Haiku (which to be fair, was never aimed at the Amiga community) have inspired, I do wonder if either had had the Amiga name attached, if they would have received greater funding and support from this community.
amigadave wrote:
Maybe if something better is thought of, more people, Amiga coders and coders that have never worked on anything Amiga before, might join to make it happen. Why do you think Linux went from one man's vision to what it is today?
Bloodline answered this one, aparently you didn't read it:
Linux was useful to more then Linus. If AmigaOS had been useful to others, it would already have been picked up by now.
amigadave wrote:
We can't change the past and sure can't foresee the future, but some people are arrogant enough to think they can.
It is not arrogance, it is realism, it is projections based on what has already happened, what is happening, and what is likely to happen, now if some mad fool comes up and sweeps away all the crap and builds "a new Amiga" with bucket loads of cash, then great, I'm wrong, you're right. But I really do not see any evidence of that happening. Do you have something to share with the group?
The best you can hope for, is things like Minimig, like NatAmi, like Amithlon, like AROS.
amigadave wrote:
As for definitions, look up sarcasm. (your history lessons of WinUAE and the BoXeR are already well known to me)
I know sarcasm, being British, it's my bread and butter. I can even use it effectively, something, you have yet to have shown. Snide yes, sarcasm, no.
