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Re: Win XP SP2 "turns Firewire 800 into Firewire 100&qu
« on: August 11, 2004, 08:09:22 PM »
M$ is at it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Man!! I H@TE this @#iT!!

I wanted to use firewhatever on my A500 later today, and now I hear about this!  Next thing M$ will do is make it so the 500 can't even install SP2!!!!    Goddangit!!!  When wil the madness end?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!??!?

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PS - Still mad.
 

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Re: Win XP SP2 "turns Firewire 800 into Firewire 100&qu
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2004, 08:18:04 PM »
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I really wonder what this item is doing in the news section of an amiga site.
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@ Fats

As an Amiga owner, you are required to hate Microsoft.  And for some odd reason, to not hateMac or Linix, even though they are not Amiga.

Remember - anything big is evil.  Anytihng sucessful is evil.  You are also required to hate Michael Jordan's Chicago Bulls, and the New York Yankees, and if you are outside the US, you are most likely required to hate Lance Armstrong.

Basicly, this site is about raising Amiga up by hating MS Windows, and chrotling in glee like a little kid when any thing - no matter how small does not work properly in the Windows OS.
 

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Re: Win XP SP2 "turns Firewire 800 into Firewire 100&qu
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2004, 09:25:09 PM »
A quick scan reveals an image of Gates in the guise of a Natzi.  A news sotry stating: "Bill Gates refused entrance to the White House"

While that can all be passed as humor and satire, please understand that there are those who come to this site who want to talk about Amiga, not Microsoft.  

These same folks are actualy smart enough to  navigate to "The Inquirer" or "The Vulture" or "Slashdot" on thier own.

Tell you what, I'll go right on saying that Amiga.org users are haters whenever a thread comes up that's basicly a "Look at what we can call out M$ on today" and has no Amiga value.

If you are right, those threads should be very rare indeed.
 

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Re: Win XP SP2 "turns Firewire 800 into Firewire 100&qu
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2004, 10:51:31 PM »
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2. Lots of people have a work laptop to take home.
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That's exactly my case.  I've used iBrowse and Voyager, but even under fast emulation in UAE, I tend to just use IE.
 

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Re: Win XP SP2 "turns Firewire 800 into Firewire 100&qu
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2004, 03:35:57 AM »
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So, who's right, and who's wrong? Shouldn't everything be posted that is of interest to any of our users, or should we just stop carrying news altogether....? Wait, that won't please everyone either...

Wayne
(hint: The fact that I make the rules goes a long way here...)
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As webmaster, here's what you should do:

Keep whatever format encourages the type of users you want to see.

Example: If you are okay with these flare-ups that seem to always follow a "news" story that says "Have you heard about the latest rumor about M$' ineptitude?" then keep them coming.

Looking over the stir this news item has caused, I think it's safe to say that at least some users of Amiga.org are uncomfortable with the sheer negative sentiment unleashed in these threads.

I guess what I'm saying is, the worst thing that could happen is you alienate some of us so much that we move on.  No big loss if you think about it.  After all, since we don't spend cycles hating "M$" or whatever else you are against, what do we have to contribute?

I'm just someone who collects Amiga...
 

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Re: Win XP SP2 "turns Firewire 800 into Firewire 100&qu
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2004, 03:29:36 PM »
Hey!  What happened to my avatar?  

A little vindictive to remove it, don't you think?

That avatar was a piece of an image that graces Amiga.org's home page from time to time under "random photo"!
 

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Re: Win XP SP2 "turns Firewire 800 into Firewire 100&qu
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2004, 03:34:34 PM »
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2) A very high likelyhood that you would be unhappy with ANY Amiga-based site.
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Can't be more wrong there, I'm afraid.

Back to the Roots is a great Amiga site.  I've even contributed to it by getting Microsoft  (I know: boo! hiss!) to write up a release and allow BTTR to offer Leaderboard and Links for download.
 

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Re: Win XP SP2 "turns Firewire 800 into Firewire 100&qu
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2004, 03:38:06 PM »
I was gonna stop beating this dead horse, but that last comment jogged a memory.

Back in 1986, the Amiga was released and gave independant computer shops another choice in the emerging 16-bit PC comsumer space.

The franchise I worked for (Softwaire/Software Centre) elected to carry the machine and it's full line of release titles, which were mainly Ageis and EA titles, lots of one offs (Mark of the Unicorn's games come to mind, as does WordPerfect)

Anyway, as some of you know, the Amiga was initialy available with Kickstart and Workbench 1.1.  I heard that Commodore made a big deal about letting developers know that 1.1 was not firm, and that you needed to code carefuly and follow the rules, becuse some of the licence you could take in 1.1 would not be allowed in 1.2.

You can kind of see where this story is going...  Developers held off on some big titles, waiting for 1.2 to come out.  This made consumers antsy as they could see thier desired apps being churned out for such machines as the Atari ST.  There was a perception that 1.1 was "not done" and the Amiga was "not ready".  Worst of all, when 1.2 came out, many titles that ran on 1.1 were crashing!  The headlines were similar to this "XP SP2 breaks Firewire 800!" headine.  Minor stuff, ealisy remedied, but big-time fodder for Commodores's enemies. The upshot of all this was the Amiga became known as the world's first Multicrashing computer.  An obvious jibe coming from Amiga rivals and enviers.  (Reminds me of the guys saying "M$ Windoze" at every opportunity.)

Worse still, developers publicly BLAMED Commodore for breaking their apps!!  But Commodore had warned that what to do and what not to do!
Worse still - many, many chains and franchises scaled back or pulled out of Amiga altogether.  They either never got back, or got back in sparingly when thay saw that the 500 was more stable and an easier sell.  But remember - those first retailers got burned big with unsold inventory labled "Requires Kickstart/Workbench 1.1" on the front.  There was no "price protection" or anything for software in those days.

I really think the Amiga was doomed to fail from 1986 onward, as a result of the rough start that let Atari take off running, and gave other manufacturers the needed time to mount a defense (Apple IIGS) against Amiga's superior design.

To tie this all together, I have little doubt that LaCie's firewire needed a BIOS upgrade to work as full speed with WinXP.  Whose fault is that? MS? LaCie?  Firewire chipset makers?  Don't care.  But threads like this take me back to Winter 1986, when the boss made the decision to cut Amiga, based on the "Multicrashing" allegations, and the advice of fellow retailers.  Back then, I wished I coudld have educated him that C= wasn't really to blame, but were fixing things at light-speed just the same.  Problem was, he caved into peer pressure from those who said "Don't bother sticking up for Amiga.  It makes you out to be a fanatic!"  When people badmouth it, just nod and move on!