AMIGAONE.... isn't it an obsolete technology already?

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Apple puts Two Dual Core G5s in there top end system running at 2.5 Ghz, so yeah a single G4 at 1.2 Ghz is kinda long in the tooth.   Apple for example doesnt sell a computer that slow anymore (even there slowest Ibook is faster then that now), and the x86 gang don't sell computers that slow either.  Plus if you are talking AmigaOne then you have the hardware problems, plus of course its not currently available and likely never will be again.
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minator wrote:

Apple only use a few percent of PPCs made, production will fall slightly because of that but the fact that the console manufacturers are using PPC mean it's production will rise by a much larger amount.

First of all Apple is basically the only user of the G5, and it is by far the largest user of the G4.   Just because G4+G5 is only a small portion of the PPC market doesnt mean that the loss of Apple won't severly impact new desktop speed PPC parts.  As for the consoles, I doubt we are going to see any of the 3 as major CPUs in any computer.  People will hack the 3 consoles and put linux on them, but for the next 18 months at least, every part that IBM can make of these 3 types are going to Nintendo, Sony & Microsoft.
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minator wrote:

First of all Apple is basically the only user of the G5

Mercury-Momentum = They have one shipping product (the development board), it appears two more on the way, do you honestly believe they are a major portion of the G5s sold?  

Terrasoft = They are software company, they are running on Macs and Mercury's, and IBMs, you don't get to count Mercury boards for Mercury, then count them again when Terrasoft sells them??  Also lets look at when they started selling Mercury's shall we: Sept 1, 2005, so that would be because Apple is getting out of the G5 market.  People are going for Apples rack mount leavings as they leave the market.

IBM (JS20s) = IBMs Blade that shipped much after the Xserve (due to its initial memory problems), never really caught on because it was more expensive then Apple, etc.  I mean the only reason Terra is going to sell them now is Apple is leaving the PPC market.  

Telcos probably find them useful. ----  G5 is a pretty expensive part for the that use, why exactly do you think that is true??

Apple bought over 2M G5's last, Mercury just came out with there product, IBM hasnt been able to ship enough G5's to its primary buyer Apple.  And of course you are still missing the point, which of these products use the fastest G5's (only apple), which of these use the dual core G5's (only apple).   If you honestly believe that use by Blades is going to drive PPC forward, you havent paid attention to the x86 market.

and it is by far the largest user of the G4.

Actually Apple are not even the largest user of the G4.  If they were Apple would have been able to force Freescale into using a an updated FSB.

I disagree, who exactly in your opinion bought more then 2 million G4s last year to take Apple out of #1 G4 buyer in your opinion??   My info says Apple is number 1, if you think I am wrong, you are going to have to come up with a name and some facts.  I mean your Freescale comment is funny, but not alot of reason with it, even you agree Apple bought the most G5's yet they couldnt get one good enough for a laptop could they??
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dylansmrjo wrote:
Things happen.

I don't think Apples switch to x86 will make a major difference in the long term.

I have no idea why you would think that.  Apple buys over 4 million high end PPCs, thats not something thats going to get swallowed up by the Eyetech, Genesi, etc.  Instead those lines will go to making parts for Microsoft, Sony & Nintendo.  The 775's production is going to dump down very low, and I don't think we will see a G6 or quad G5 at least for a long time, and maybe not ever.

Nor in the short term since it will take quite a while to finish the transition from PPC to x86.

On June 6th, the switch was announced, at Siggraph (August 2-4) basically all the main players have there software running on the mac prototypes, when NAB rolls around (April of next year) I fully expect the x86 laptops (and maybe desktops) will be shipping and the software for all will be available.  Why do you think its going to take quite awhile to finish the transition??  This is the last year of only PPC macs, and I think before this time next year, there will be no PPC macs at the Apple Store.

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Tripitaka wrote:

So we need a "Cell" port for OS4, Hyperion have hinted about this before and if it turns out to be the natural path for ppc, GREAT, it's a powerfull chip.  :-)

Great, but if thats the plan, they should already have developer boards (and they don't), they should have announced a deal with Mercury (or one of the other reputable board manufacturers) to sell OS4 on there boards, and they should be lining up people to buy the boards.  At least that board will run Linux well, if OS4 is going to be a Cell OS, then they need to be porting it.  I still say a much better idea is port it to the Mac Mini, sell OS4 for $100 or $150 with a USB dongle, and be done with it.  Hardware warranty problem gone, hardware availability problem gone, worst thing is Hyperion would have to tell people we are out of our first 500 USB dongles, it will be two weeks till we get 500 more, wouldn't that be better posts, then we dont have any idea when hardware to run our OS will be available.  Plus your systems would have USB, Firewire, etc, everyone would be working on drivers, because linux drivers for all of it exist already, so its not that hard to move them from one OS to another running on the same hardware.      
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dylansmrjo wrote:
Nope.

It's wasting my CPU cycles :-o´

If you aren't using the clock cycles, they are wasted too, you waste alot more clock cycles on your computer reading email then Vista can dream of wasting drawing pretty pictures.

In regard to functionality Vista has nothing. Only bloatedness in regard to eye candy.

No, Vista has a much faster IO system then XP Pro, its taken from 2003, which is already fairly fast on my system, since I usually mix 3 or 4 streams of uncompressed video realtime on my system.  I personally care less about eyecandy, but frankly looking at the excitement 256 color icons on OS4 & MorphOS drew on here and other sites I am in a minority on the subject.  Vista runs faster then XP, that means it runs Lightwave, Mirage, Modo, Messiah Studio and VT faster, thats better in my book.
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