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Re: Fire Wire Camera
« on: September 13, 2014, 03:30:48 AM »
A further wrinkle is that various camera manufacturers offered differing levels of compatibility even with Mac and PC during the height of the format.  Canon and Sony and JVC cameras could get finicky, depending on the editing software you were using.  As standards go it was often quite frustrating how loosey-goosey they were, speaking dialects of ieee1394 but not quite the same language.

Not much has changed, really, with these same manufacturers and modern cameras though now you get access to a filesystem with flavors of MP4 that everyone has their own special blend of.  At least you don't have to worry about tape transports anymore and drop-outs or a drop-frame or device dropping off the bus that could lock your whole system up because, my guess, Firewire hooks into the OS at a fairly low level and likes to misbehave.  FW800 improved reliability a little, for drives.  I can't tell you how many times I've wanted to smash original Firewire gear though, drives, cameras, you name it.  It's never to be trusted to just work.
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Re: Fire Wire Camera
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2014, 05:14:29 AM »
Yeah, they had speed advantages over USB and USB2.0 but I've found that standard and those devices to generally be better behaved, regardless of platform, than any version of Firewire technology I've ever used.  I'm kinda glad it's over because it never lived up to its potential as a standard, either because of poor implementation by the hardware manufacturers or meddling by groups like the MPAA.
 

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Re: Fire Wire Camera
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2014, 05:30:35 AM »
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My personal experience with Firewire on PC was easy. I used Win XP, a motherboard (A8N-SLI) with built in ports and a Sony DV-8 Camera.

It would be unexpectedly ironic that consumer cameras might be more reliable than professional/prosumer gear.  

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All of the expansion cards I can see for Firewire are PCI or Cardbus so plugging into a standard classic Amiga isn't possible and there wouldn't be enough speed to use the camera effectively.

DV is only a little over 3M/sec.  The compression/decompression is what's going to be more problematic.  You likely need at least a very fast 604e if you don't have dedicated DV hardware on the interface board or better yet at least a 300MHz G3 to be comfortable doing it in software.  The slightly slower G3 iMacs, the early candy colored models, they could do it but just barely at 233MHz (this was just handling the stream I/O and showing a proxy version on the monitor, it couldn't decode at full quality to the monitor in realtime).
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Re: Fire Wire Camera
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2014, 06:03:10 PM »
Yowch!

Well, I'm just glad it's on its way out.  It had such promise but after you've troubleshot mounting issues more than a few times and boot hangs and cameras bringing down not just an application but the host OS it becomes clear there's some fundamental design problems the technology.

I know I'm not going to miss doing back-ups to a Firewire raid and getting that sick feeling in my gut through the entire process, hoping the mount didn't drop off mid transfer, but also for the anticipation first plugging it in.  Will it mount?  Is it buggered?