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Re: Halt and Catch Fire..
« on: July 13, 2014, 03:38:00 AM »
I'm really digging it.  We didn't get our first computer until 1984 (C=64) but I still remember a growing fascination with them.  I'd already been teaching myself BASIC by this point on paper and would try out little programs on floor models at stores when I got the chance, during '82 and '83.

I love the period aspect of it and a lot of the personalities and drama actually reminds me of what you find in Steven Levy's books, like Hackers.  Nothing seems manufactured at all.  You get strong, brilliant people together, pressure, money and big ideas and you've got yourself the exact recipe for drama.  This isn't the story of drones at desks punching a clock and going home.

For this to actually be successful it's got to be about the human story first and foremost (like good scifi too).  I like that it offers multiple characters that don't fit the stereotype that Cameron's roommates and Gordon fall into.  If it was only that I'm sure there are some people who would still enjoy it, who identify with those characters, but "normals" would have nothing to stay interested.  A show about the tech means you have no show.  That's appropriate for a cold and factual documentary, for Discovery or PBS.  

They're being as careful as they can to be period specific with the tech.  A lot of it is donated or what they can find online.  A lot of it apparently doesn't work anymore, which is understandable (they're hand-feeding pre-printed paper quite often through printers).  But they're about a year behind on the machine they're designing, as it turns out.  The Grid Compass came out in 1982 and was designed in 1979.  It was a magnesium bodied clamshell with a flat display.  But it cost $10K, ran a proprietary OS and most were sold to the US government for NASA and Special Forces applications.

@Plaz, when I was little, my dad drove a red, Craig Breedlove special edition AMX.


edit: the last episode of the season is titled 1984.  I have a sneaking suspicion they're going to see a certain Super Bowl ad that's going to change everything.
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Re: Halt and Catch Fire..
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2014, 04:09:54 AM »
Hopefully we don't get any Matadors in there, lol.  There was one in my neighborhood when I was in high school that sat in the same spot for years.  Hideous car, lol.

I wouldn't mind seeing a Rebel though.  Seriously strong looking cars.
 

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Re: Halt and Catch Fire..
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2014, 04:37:28 AM »
The guy that sold Gordon an empty box, that was a red Eagle, wasn't it?!  My mom had a brown one for a while.  I always liked the way they looked but that thing was, mechanically, a pile, what I remember.

edit: Just like IMDB for actors and directors and people working on and appearing in movies and television, there's a website dedicated to cars appearing in movies and television called the IMCDB, or Internet Movie Car DataBase:

http://www.imcdb.org/movie.php?id=2543312
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Re: Halt and Catch Fire..
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2014, 07:15:35 PM »
They're using an '87 944 in place of having an '82 or '83.  I had an '88 944S for a while.  Loved driving it.  I made the mistake of getting the "S" model though as the engines were bunk from a maintenance standpoint with several fatal design flaws.  I bought it for a tick under $5K and ended up putting over $9K into the engine, trying to keep it running, because parts and labor were just outrageous, and there was only one or two guys in all of Los Angeles qualified anymore to work on water-cooled Porsche.

I don't get your comment regarding the iPod, Plaz.  The episode was about Cameron wanting to give the machine a "soul".  All I could think when she's coding in the conversational interface was she's putting an ELIZA wrapper on DOS (if it extends beyond the ZORK-like simple commands).  

Where do you get iPod?

Anyway, yeah, the cooler AMC stuff doesn't really command much yet.  I've seen a couple come across the block on the Mecum auctions on Velocity and they don't bring near the money as even hideous flavors of Chevelle or, worse, I'm seeing a trend of post '72 cars come through with absolute trash for engines and performance and they're getting some really money.  I'm not a fan of the Javelin but the AMX and the Rebel are sweet and they go for a song compared to someone looking to get into a Mustang or Camaro, while being more rare than either.

That wagon though, your friend's, is it the one with the Crager style mag wheels?
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Re: Halt and Catch Fire..
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2014, 03:58:50 PM »
Mmmm, no, the whole "soul" thing and the personalized approach is essentially the mythos of the Mac, and to a lesser extent the the Apple II before it.  But they're essentially designing the Mac (while making the Grid Compass), not an iPod.   More apps, faster, etc. has absolutely nothing to do with what created the "Apple II Forever" cult that existed well into the 1990s.  Nothing with a "soul" was reflected in the marketplace at the time but it was not a foreign idea or resigned to movie monsters.   Even the concept of a "soul" and what makes a machine different or special is rather plastic and has been assigned to all sorts of machines whether or not they made any attempt to say your name, ahem, Amiga.

Read any books by or about Marvin Minsky from the period.  Read any hyperbolic tech journalistic fantasy about where things were going, particularly in the household and all that they're trying to achieve are in there.  It's where people have wanted to go from the beginning and the computer book section was filled with both fiction and non-fiction works on getting there.  Even in the early '80s, because I was reading some of them.  I wouldn't be surprised if the authors of the show read The Soul of a New Machine, from 1981.  I didn't read it until 1984 but so much of the struggles designing this thing, pulled in all directions by economics, physics, time, fear and big dreams is in there, as well as Steven Levy's book.

I even recall a commercial that goes back to what must be 1980, because I'm associating it with the evening that the Rankin Bass animated The Return of the King played on TV (though it could have even been earlier than this and a televised broadcast of The Hobbit from 1977, either of these puts it 1980 at the latest).  I don't recall what company it was for.  In hindsight I want to say Xerox because it wasn't about a particular product it was a commercial about "the future" and in it a fellow comes to work and is greeted by his computer, who addresses him by name on the screen.

The computer, though my memory is fuzzy, had a layout similar to the Lisa and I believe it was in a horizontal case with the monitor placed to the left of the case.  Compaq would have a portable sorta like this later and I've seen it in other computers as well (I think of this commercial every time I see this layout).  Anyway, during the course of this guy settling in to work for the day there is some kind of reveal that the day is special, like it's the fellow's birthday, and the computer congratulates the fellow with a picture of a rose.  I'm pretty sure it was a rose.  The image kind of paints on as a series of horizontal lines.

This commercial and its vision of a personalized "relationship" with its user has stuck with me all these years.  I was nine years old and the only other thought, even, of a computer was limited to what they represented in Star Wars, something for R2D2 to plug into, and maybe one episode of either The Rockford Files or CHiPS or something.  But that idea of the personalized experience was seared into my head at that moment and over the years I've thought about it each and every time I've seen a film by The Ladd Company, because their logo of the tree paints itself onto the screen in horizontal lines the same way that 1980 corporate fantasy of the future way we'll be dealing with computers did.

So, sorry, but I don't agree with your assessment of the period.  It's a fact, none of this has ever been a part of any IBM PC Clone, but this is a fictional narrative about big ideas during a time there were a lot of big ideas even if we didn't know how to build it yet.  The show isn't about a specific company or machine and it's easy enough to see Cardiff and its characters are pulling liberally from all sorts of companies and personalities.  

It's about the era where "anything was possible" and personal computing was such a blank slate but so much of it was ironically shackled by its dependence on being PC compatible and anything that wasn't this was an "also ran".  But these were the ideas that inspired new generations of people to be interested in computers.  Not what they were as a collection of facts or even what software they could run.  That's not inspiring.  Not at all.  That that's what dictated the success and failure in the cold, bland marketplace is only a fact.  The truth is inspiration came from someplace else and is more about what characters like Cameron and Joe are obsessing over even though engineers like Gordon are already dead or just locked in some Asperger's love affair with the machine itself for what it is and not what it does or might someday do.  

It's what inspired a little kid to actually think about what a computer was and what it might be, enough to learn some BASIC a year or two before his family ever even owned a computer.
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Re: Halt and Catch Fire..
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2014, 12:52:01 AM »
Um, no.  All of the books and authors I reference are non-fiction, about real people at MIT, Carnegie Mellon, DEC, Sierra Systems, Apple, etc.  While fictional computers and their depictions were interesting it was real stories about real people that were actually more interesting, and more like what this show represents.  It's fiction that gives these people the target they're shooting for.

The nay-saying engineers are absolutely reflective of why TI never put a dent in the world and why Motorola has ended up where it is.  The drama and clash of personalities and bizarre behavior is also completely consistent with my own experiences working with exceptional folks in creative technical start-ups and what you get when you put multiple creative, technical geniuses under one roof, add pressure and stir with management that doesn't really understand what they're managing or how to deal with the people they need to keep on track.

This last episode, the industrial design drawings look like the Grid Compass.  I believe Compaq later had a portable that was of similar "clamshell" design with the screen hinged somewhere towards the middle as well.  But they mention it's got a metal case so that still makes it more Compass, which had a magnesium case.



This episode had what seemed to be a glaring error to me on the part of the writer, as well as a missed opportunity for Gordon to point out an even better false analogy.  He incorrectly calls "contrails" the exhaust from a jet and "dust" but it's actually condensation, hence the "con", and water vapor.  The idea that Joe was inadvertently calling the machine "vapor" has worse connotation than anything in the computer business.  My guess is the writer was too fixated on expressing fear of being left behind "in the dust" to catch this.  And most screenwriters are not going to be fluently versed in what they're writing about so their technical adviser should have caught this.

They also should have caught Cameron's reading of "D-E-C".  The actress didn't know that she should have just said it like she was saying "deck".  The technical adviser should have caught this too.  Still, minor quibbles.  The show continues to get better as the characters develop.

Gordon has lost it though.

Colombia Data Products may have served as the inspiration for the company and its "clean room" BIOS but they never made anything close to the computer that Cardiff is making in 1982 (or ever), aren't from Silicon Prairie and when they followed up their generic clone with a "luggable" it was no more portable than anything else at more than 30lbs.   There are elements borrowed from Apple.  There are elements borrowed from Compaq.  There are elements borrowed from DEC.  It's an amalgamation.
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Re: Halt and Catch Fire..
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2014, 03:56:30 AM »
Quote from: Plaz;769078
Yes you're correct Minskey certainly a valid reference, but the only book mentioned by name was Soul of the machine. Your other named references were TV and movies, so I was keyed on that...

I also mentioned Steven Levy's book.  Most of the fictional references were an entirely different context, but, you know, whatever.  This is boring now, so I'm sorry your memories of the '80s and...whatever must have somehow inspired you was also so boring as well.