A4000 bootdisk CD/DVD support

[doctorq]

what about feedback? does it come in handy? you got REAL usability from it?

i was always looking for a fast, smart backup-solution without hassles. so i created the disk. i just have to make another with tiny tcp/ip support to get internet (at least ftp) through a gateway/router working.

so there would be two (DD) disks setting/backing up an amiga system. on A4000 it's possible to make ONE disk in HD though... (just have to get some inspirations yet

I just took a look at the disk; looks a bit messy, but if it works for you, then great.

I would suggest to use a different CD filesystem than the one you have installed though. IDEfix 97 is available as a demo version; CacheCDFS works better than CDFilesystem. I'm sure there are other and better CD filesystems out there.

Craming a TCP/IP stack onto one disk (I see no point in the need of two disks; ruins the whole idea) will be a challange. Miami is out of the question, and AmiTCP can be a pain to set up, but good luck with it.

Another suggestion would be to install a file manager on the disk.

[doctorq]

so whats wrong with CDFileSystem?

As I said in my first post, if it works for you, good for you. I just wouldn´t use it for my own boot disks.

I truly believe that a filesystem from 1999 adds better support for modern standards compared to a filesystem from 1993.

[doctorq]

I suggest that, this is so useful tool and needed badly, that we should stop arguing about copyrights in this case

Dispite it being useful (I doubt it is needed badly, there has hardly been any requests here on amiga.org) copyright is still copyright.

It sucks that one can't make his/hers bootdisk available for free download. A guide on how to make his own bootdisk would be the road to follow in order to avoid copyright problems.

[doctorq]

I haven't reinstalled my amiga for ages now, because  it so dam difficult. Good boot disk would make it so much simplier.

And a boot disk might not even get you nowhere. If you downloaded a boot disk, you must have more or less the same hardware as the creater of the boot disk. Even the boot disk the OP posted here has a DVDRAM driver that will get him nowhere, as it's pointing to blizzppc.device, which you will never be able to install in an A4000 (blizzppc.device is the build in device driver found on Blizzard PPC boards).

Even if it was legal to distribute these bootdisks, you would still either have to adjust your system, or the bootdisk. A guide on how to install the DOS driver, the filesystem and how to mount the dosdriver would be better for most. Of course it means that the ones using the guide actually have to spend some time finding out how their hardware works, but you would need to do that with a boot disk as well.

[doctorq]

as my signature, i got no blizzardppc. and never got one.

But your bootdisk still contains a device driver that points to blizzppc.device (check DVDRAM in Devs : DOSDrivers

my used driver/cdfilesystem works for quite ALL CDROMs (same as it handles 1000s of harddiskdrives) tested it with 4 different ones. 32x CD, 52x CD, DVD-Burner+DVD-RAM, CD-RW-Burner.

And it will work vith a lot of other drives as well.

so i don't see the point there. a short device mountlist for more support i.e. DVD (if it didn't work already) isn't that much space either.

Yep, lets clutter up the disk with unneeded stuff; that's always good.

i don't know what to modify a system/bootdisk here? plain A4000 with HDD as master Unit 0, CD/DVD as slave Unit 1 is the first (most common) you setup ever. later if it runs all well you add software, hardware etc. even with hardware added you can plain boot from it with internal IDE/CD/DVD.

All true, except for the bit about after adding hardware.

my bootdisk is and will be for A4000D 3630/3640 and those variations and i won't support other things. if it runs on other hardware (what i guess it WILL!) its ok, otherwise hard luck. period.

See, that's new information. All you wrote earlier was that you had a A4000 boot disk with CD support. That's true for the A3630/3640 Amigas.

Otherwise, chill. I'm not bashing your work here, by all means keep it up. A simple guide telling how it works and on how to get CD working would be so much less work. Those expecting to find a boot disk that will install eveything by itself are to used to PCs. This is Amiga, it takes a bit more effort to get it running.

[doctorq]

first you claimed there is much other hardware, too less support, then you claim of cluttering the disk up. what is unneeded at supporting a DVD?? WHAT DO YOU WANT?

Again chill. I guess the opinions of those that says it's all great means more than those that try to give you informaton. Oh well.

I have never said that it was unneeded to support a DVD. You said it yourself that you have never had a BlizzardPPC, which indicates that the DVDRAM driver is from somewhere or someone else. This leads me to believe that you don't entirely knows how the DOSDrivers work.

As for cluttering up the disk; do you see a point in having something mounted that can't be mounted at all and points to devices that can't even be mounted on an Amiga 4000? And who has 4 floppy drives connected to their Amiga? If you clutter up the disk with unneeded stuff, you will never be able to get a TCP/IP stack running from one disk, or even two.

and will be true on many other hardware configurations.

Nope. As soon as you switch to a different CPU card that needs CPU specific libraries you will run into trouble. So will those that use different controllers on their Amiga.

if i wanted that, i'd done that.

I'm sure, but it will still be a better option than writing a installation script that needs you to get this, get that, etc.

do you think i'm using amiga the first time or after buying a PC?

How you can get that out of the following statement I simply can not understand...

Those expecting to find a boot disk that will install eveything by itself are to used to PCs. This is Amiga, it takes a bit more effort to get it running.

And I still stand by my words. You can not make a boot disk that will boot and install everything by itself while you are leaning back in the chair. These people need to put a bit more effort into.

get lost and don't wreck my nerves further with this unneeded discussion here.

You asked for feedback, I gave you feedback. It was obviously not the feedback you wanted.

you'd better tell me how to do an install script or where i can find a guide, what would maybe further most common drivers be, what could be useful as tool. and not claiming what it all DOES NOT.

Why would I when you clearly don't want my help? All I was trying to do was to inform you about some points that was worth taking a look at, and the problems you can expect to run into. You wanted neither of the information, so there is really no need to inform you any further.

The final reason for pointing out what it can not, is only to get these problems solved, so it actually can do what you are hoping for it to do (for instance getting a DVD accessable from Workbench).