Very hard to understand

[apsturk]

I have a question. I just bought a AmigaX1000 and love it. I have been having great fun learning and playing with AmigaOS. It's quite different and I like it very much. With all the good news coming from A-Eon, like OctaMED, ImageFX, Aladdin4D, Personal Paint and the like. I find it more that a bit troubling that I cant send and only sometimes receive emails  (Simplemail). Is there a reason that there is not even one email client for amigaOS? Please don't tell me about YAM or Simple mail. YAM is pop only and I have not had a pop account in over 13 years. Simple mail? in beta for how many years??. I am sorry and disappointed to say it's pure garbage in it's current state. Even it's form, if it worked ok is not great for a program intended to be used for emailing more than once a day. I can't find one program to just send and receive email? Wow. I am hopeful that when the new developer kit for 4.1FE comes out and A-Eons GDB debugger some good things will happen. In the mean time it seems prudent to have the following first.

Web browser:  (Odyssey 1.23r3 is ok but needs lots of work and some updates)
Email clients:   None
A good native NGAmiga word processor:     not a rehash from 68k.  libereoffice will be cool for sure but we have what? half baked garbage as of now.
contact database: is there one    
calendar:   is there one?

After the basic stuff is covered then I would be more interested in things like Aladdin4d. Please dont miss read this. I have bought every program in amistore but a game or two. I have also donated over $300 usd in total for different projects and will spend over $1000 more during 2015. I will also spend money on just about everything on amistore that comes out. I am a big supporter of A-Eon and have over $5000 in my X1000 project and will also buy a X5000 when it comes out.

Lets get a modern full blown top shelf email client and go from there.

PS this is a problem for Morph and AROS as well. Does anyone want to make money out there? my checkbook is ready to pay you!!

[apsturk]

@kolla
I agree with all you said and it seems you are one of just a few that read my post. Thanks
guys YAM = no IMAP so it does not matter how good you say it is. I dont have a pop account!! so it is NOT an option.


@eliyahu
well illegal MUI stuff pops up all the time. Sometimes the inbox in nowhere to be found for a day or two. Locks up the OS 4 or 5 times a day. Look I could go on and on. It is a kindergarten 8 year still in beta, 101 baby email client  and a poor attempt of a program, bug ridden mess. on a scale of 1 to 10 it is a 0 at the very, very VERY!  best. I am very understanding that things are not so great with apps for AmigaOS4 and that is ok as long people are working to fix this. Trevor said at amiwest 2014 content, content and more content..

Smiplemail is at best ok if you are totaly unaware of the rest of the computer world and you judge Amiga programs on a much lower scale with low expectations to start with. Kind of like your friends laughing at your X1000 and the simple stuff it just cant do.  (something you said at amiwest) I am not trying to be offensive I just want good stuff as there is no reason but money that we have lots of crap and very fee gems

Again if there is team out there willing to do the work I will be first in line to pay$$$$. If we all do that someone WILL get it done.

1 email client that many, many people other than me have big problems with too. Lets stop  ourselves with pretending

[apsturk]

You can say that it is the general problem with Amigoid systems, especially OS4 and MorphOS - all focus is on "bells and whistles", all about "bling". They are totally lacking when it comes to fundamental technologies. Throwing more bitmaps and more FPS on it doesn't make the OSes more appealing to developers, modern core technologies are totally absent, and this has to be dealt with sooner rather than later. But, whatever, if gaining 2% higher transfer speeds on FTP over a sloppy half duplex 10Mbit connection is what ticks people off, by all means!

Again, right on bud!!

[apsturk]

@Eliyahu
bug reports to make it better.

-- eliyahu

Did you see the update in December 2014. That is what took 1 year?. I sent 2 emails. 1 in 2013 and 1 in 2014 and I never got a reply from 2013 or 2014. If you are happy with it great. I am not and I dont like or expect a free program and the developer to act live a  pro software company, They have lives and do it in there spare time.

[apsturk]

@ apsturk

It's been a couple of years since I used SimpleMail but I found it quite stable and usable at the time. If you're getting MUI related errors, I wonder if some of your custom classes (MCC) are outdated/buggy? Grab the latest versions of BetterString, NList, TextEditor, PopPlaceholder, and TheBar from Aminet (all were updated in 2014). Run AmiUpdate as well to make sure you've got the latest version of MUI.

What many of us here are trying to say is that the problematic behavior you're experiencing with SimpleMail is unusual. If we can solve that for you, I think you'll find it to be a satisfactory program.

PopPlaceholder was updated in 2014?  Everything on my system is new how would I get old MCC. Does SimpleMail instal that. From reading it does not look like it does.

[apsturk]

I have a number of Amiga computers (about 14) and a Mac Mini with Morphos 3.7 with Similemail however it has the 1.1 fork and It works ok at the very best. Just to be clear the fact that a program works does NOT mean that it is a good program or even an adequate one.

When I bought a X1000 I did not expect it would do all the things another computer would do (I already own all them). I was 100 percent sure that it would NOT. That is not my point. There have been updates to MUI and I am sure there are other factors as well.. My point is there only 1 email client that does IMAP? All the reading and email I am getting show that half the people say it works and the other half say that have lots of problems with it, just like I do.

 My overall point is that it is hard to understand (like my title says) why I can get dozens and dozens of 2d scroll games and email is almost non existent. That to me is hard to understand.

My point also is lets start with the basic stuff people do with computers first... like email etc. I am willing to pay for this and would like to. The product needs to be made first and then sold and supported by people that want a good product for a fair price. With email I think it's safe to say AROS Morphos and AmigaOS all have that need in a big way. That is a good number of people with a need. I would like to see it filled and I would encourage developers to work on things like email and some of the other most basic things that are needed to push things forward. I for one will do my part and support it with my money.

So yes I have done some complaining and I think it is well warranted. I also hope that the complaining will encourage developers to work on products that appeal to most if not every amiga user. Last is my pledge to spend money for such products.

I dont think that is so unreasonable do you. Is this not what we all would like to see happen

[apsturk]

"I also hope that the complaining will encourage developers to work on products"

IMHO, I am pretty sure people respond to things that make them feel better about their lives -- sex, money, compliments, alcohol -- rather than complaints.

Trevor's AmiWest speech was about "content" for the Amiga and his company's support for software may lead to a revamp of an email program; try suggesting that in a positive way

I get you point however identifying a problem and pledging money to support solutions (as many times as I have through out this thread) is the position I am in and is all I can do. Your focusing on but one thing and ignoring the other as if I did not address that too I think is missing the point. I went out of my way to make sure I shared that I am and will be continuing to spend money in support of Amiga software and hardware. This is a forum for lots of things and expressing disappointment and stating an opinion that contains my willingness to do what I can to change it is what its all about.

I will however keep your post in mind and try to be a little less sour sounding. Thanks

[apsturk]

lol thats great. Just what I was thinking.

[apsturk]

Keep your blinders on if you want.  If the $3000 apsturk already spent on the X1000 went towards software development rather than an overpriced computer with 10+ year old technology, he might have already had the e-mail program he wanted.  And we need more users, not more under-performing overpriced hardware.  If you actually think a lot of developers are looking to write software for a system few people are using, than you're delusional.

Come on pal. I am happy with my X1000 and I know what I was getting into and have no regrets. This all starts with people like me and others spending money and maybe just maybe if there is enough of us things will grow. After 2 years Acube is selling another batch of the sam460 and there was a big demand. Others like me are still buying the X1000 and more will buy the X5000 and X3500. That = more users and this is good thing. With the new developer kit and debugging software and LibreOffice and all the other software and hardware stuff A-Eon is working on I think things are looking better that they have in a long time. That is why I jumped in with both feet!!

[apsturk]

Was that before or after the Hyperion bankrupsy announcement? You also forgot to mention Timberwolf, based on Firefox v4, which should be out soon after Firefox v40. Sorry, I couldn't resist. I wouldn't go much by announcements or dates in the perpetual Amiga time warp world of "just two more weeks" .

O yes I know what you mean for sure. One of the reasons I jumped in was that A-Eon has delivered on everything that said they would do. Life is a big chance and I am betting on them and some others. If I am wrong so be it.

[apsturk]

@Lionheast

That doesn't expand the userbase, it just gives the existing base something to collect

By definition it sure does.

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Once again, try to convince someone outside the Amiga cult-like mentality to buy a $3000 computer with 10+ year old technology to run an operating system like OS4 when they can buy a more useful and more powerful computer running Windows or MacOS for less than half that price

You are chatting with that person now, me!