Pegasos to go on sale Monday / Pegasos II to ship September 2003

[System]

Well, I'm not going to laugh at the Pegasos side.
I'm sorry everything didn't work out as planned.

With all the things that have been going on, I think a lot of people are going to organize thier minds about a few things.

Reposition thier thought patterns.

I've seen a lot of both sides, in the last two days come together and use one voice, and that was a nice breeze of fresh air.

As far as Bernie goes...
Build it and they will come!

As far as Hyperion goes...
Finish and release it, and they will come!

As far as the Amiga community goes...
Keep the evil out, so we can have a future for the Amiga.
Support those people that should be supported, and don't support the one's that you feel should not be supported.

Speak with your money, and use your mind.
No matter who threatens to take your choice away.

[System]

I really don't understand what people are talking about when they say Pegasos II.

There hasn't even been a Pegasos I yet.

Explain someone?

[System]

It's good to see such a straight'forward update from the Genesi team! :-) But the news of having no Pegasus 1 G4 upgrades and very limited availability does disappoint me. This is sad especially for various Amiga dealers and a few software developers.  :-(

[System]

Rather than focus on the negative, why not look to the positive? The existing Pegasos customers are not locked-into their G3's with upgrade options to the Pegasos II.

Sure it's good to have an upgrade option, provided given a good deal (any details?), but this board does sound pretty much like a new design and thus a good chance for additional future delays.

[System]

The Amiga market is moving again.

Very good.

Congratulation folks on your new Pegasos machines.

Hope the future brings you more good products to purchase.

Maybe later on down the road, we'll see some kind of integration between the two platforms.

I'm feelin' good.   ;-)

[System]

Pegasos boards won't be available to any customers until September and this is supposed to be a good thing?

I dont think their doing any worse off then the competition...

[System]

We the AmigaOS 4.x fanatics (them who has the money) might get dual G4 in some weeks ... The MorphOS fanatics might be lucky to get single G4 in some month  

how can you be an AmigaOS fanatic and have a PPC board that dosent run AmigaOS?... I mean until Hyperion creates this OS (wich was due out how many times now) will you run Linux? ... I can run Linux right now on a PC

On a more serious note... I think that Pegasos2 sounds cool but I do think its a setback that they didnt at least allow some time to pass before revealing its existance.
I hope Pegasos/MorphOS dont go under...if they did I'd have nothing left to play with... as I've decided I wont get an AmigaOne because of the rom/dongle...

So I do hope that they are able to at least get 'one' of these boards produced in enough quantity to give all the people in the MorphOS community a system.

[System]

@ Herewegoagain
 

Unless you have some proof that they have found more bugs in Artica, etc.... please stop speculating.

I agree, all these "speculations" are pretty useless and contradict most previous statements made by MorphOS supporters in the past.

Based on what I know, I would say that it is likely that Mai does not want to deal with Genesi any more, which IMO is their good right based on past happenings.

If there are so severe problems with the Articia S chipset, how could anyone ever claim that their current (old-Articia S) Pegasos product is so great?

So, do you understand that you are also directing your FUD towards those still unsold, yet soon to be available Pegasos boards?

I am the last to claim that larger hardware or software projects could be guaranteed to be completely bugless. However why would you be so sure that Genesi will not "find" any bugs in other hardware or software products?

[System]

@ Mahen

the Articia is a disaster

I do not agree, based on what I have heard from people using Linux in combination with AmigaOne solutions.

Anyway, as you guys have stated that Apple hardware support is also planned for MorphOS, why shouldn't you guys use such widely available solutions as development platforms in the meantime instead?

And why should anyone want to buy those "disaster" Pegasos boards, available upcoming Monday?

[System]

@ Zacman

As I stated many times before, the old OF BIOS previously used for the AmigaOne was very buggy and thus caused much delay. Luckily Hyperion has taken care of these problems for Mai.

The AmigaXE motherboards, preferred to by most Amiga users, have been announced for a much later date than March 2002. These boards are currently being tested by quite a few beta-testers and come with a new improved Articia chipset.

I expect and hope that there will be many new enhancements and revisions available with regard to future chipsets. This is IMO a normal and healthy development process, which can also be witnessed within the x86 market.

With regard to delays, I should maybe point out the excellence and experience of the Phase5/bPlan hardware development team. Despite their hardware development expertise they failed to deliver the A/BOX computing solution they announced in 1996 and also suffered various delays with regard to their current Pegasos products.

Mai is a very competent, highly regarded hardware development company, and compared to them bPlan is/was a very small fish.

[System]

@ takemehomegrandma

Genesi has delivered. Eyetech+Hyperion has not. As simple as that!

I disagree, IMO neither the AmigaOS4 team nor the MorphOS team have delivered a satisfying end user solution yet. (Also note that the AmigaOS4 project was started years after the MorphOS project)

For the amount of Genesi products currently available on the market and for the near future, I can only look at the current solution as a temporary "development platform". Not an enduser product available in acceptable quantities.

Both the AmigaOneG3-SE and PegasosG3 have been available to general consumers. However I believe it is also important to ask, what solution does the average Amigan really want? Polls show that an AmigaOne-XE in combination with AmigaOS4 is a much more popular solution than a Pegasos/MorphOS solution.

So even if a MorphOS/Pegasos solution would have been widely available, for many Amigans the product they desire still wouldn't be delivered.

Take me for example, I like MorphOS. But I greatly prefer AmigaOS4 and if I would have to choose a secondary OS available for the AmigaOne platform, I would still greatly prefer LinuxPPC over MorphOS. To be honest, I would even be more interested in a new Umilator for my PC and laptop, than MorphOS available for the AmigaOne.

[System]

Well WindowsXP don't use ArticiaS's  :-D , and use Microsoft to make contrast with Genesi  :-? , i hope you don't do this with "WinXXXX vs MorphOS"  ;-) .

[System]

Well, regarding Genesi's latest statement it's not a matter of not getting them, but of not wanting them because of further bugs...

Personally I highly doubt this. The executives of Terra Soft, Eyetech and Mai were not at all happy with Bill's FUD approach with regard to their efforts.

Sadly his latest update contains yet again similar misleading FUD...

"Our G3 Pegasos performs better than the G4 Teron with the Articia. "

For instance I know that the PegasosG3 performs similar to the AmigaOSG3-SE (Linux). So I have my severe doubts about i.e. a G4 AmigaOne-XE or Teron board performing worse than a G3 solution at similar clock rates. ;-)

At the same clock frequency the G4 already has a much better floating point perfomance. Additionally, with regard to Altivec optimised software, there will often be very significant additional performance gains.  :-)

[System]

My thoughts on this are that no product should be advertised as "obsolete" or "soon to be replaced" for any reason. It's good that they are looking forward to the next design, but that should be transparent to the end user. When the PegasosII is nearing a presentable stage, then it should have been announced that the original Pegasos would be phased out

And then a Zillion of retarded users will start to call BBRV a liar.

[System]

@ Downix

And you've done labratory-condition benchmarks to proove this?

LOL, Downix do you really think you would need labratory-condition benchmarks? I would like to use my AmigaOne within my spare bedroom instead.  :-D

With regard to the board model used, he must have compared the Pegasos to the latest Teron models. I know that Genesi owns an old evaluation board with a Softex ROM. You don't possibly mean to say that they have used this old board for their "labratory-condition" benchmarking?

If so, please, post the results here for everyone to see.

Why don't you ask Genesi  to back up their wild claims?  LOL