Amiga.org welcomes Elbox as an advertiser.

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This is a new approach for us, but taking a page from the old AWD playbook, we at Amiga.org would like to welcome Elbox to our list of advertisers.  Elbox joins Fore-Matt Computing on the current list of companies who've gone the extra distance to help keep this site alive.  Your patronage of Elbox and Fore-Matt Computing would be greatly appreciated and felt throughout the Amiga community.

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@paul,

Considering that Elbox is welcomed here, please make stop where you are and consider my request very carefully.  

If Elbox is guilty of anything, that has yet to be proven.  Otherwise I need for you and others to breathe and think before trashing one of our advertisers.  We have very few left and we (both Amiga.org and the Amiga community) need every one.

[System]

Ok, how would your Mama put this, since you have no concept of what I am talking about.....

Do not come into my house insulting my guests..  

It is rude, and it is not welcomed here.  They are supporting this site and.... by the way.... one of the only reasons left why you have a site to come and bitch at.

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@odin,

The AWD used to announce new advertisers to let everyone know who made the site possible.  We never have, and judging by the stupidity and rudeness of some of the comments I'm seeing here, I begin to understand exactly why we didn't do this before.

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@ Wayne

You do whatever is needed to keep the site up and running.
Don't mind the people who have no idea of what it's like and how much work there is involved in keeping a site like this working.
It is really good to know who is helping to keep the site a reality.

Keep up the good work !!!!

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@paul

Its all about opinions, people should be allowed to express them without being told to turn a blind eye to illegal activities,

I guess I was talking to the wall then.  There is a difference between speaking an opinion and puposely trying to harm the business of a company which is helping this site to survive.  

If you want to express your OPINION, you are welcome to do so.  AmigaOS has code to thrash rdb's.  Are you going to trash Hyperion?  I have even seen occasions where code to perform certain functions is automatically linked in via a compiler without the knowledge of the authors.

Point is, your comments in this case are in poor taste and not welcome.  This is not a site for your personal vendetta on what you *think* is fact.  I should not have to act like your mother to remind you people what is, and is not acceptable.

{edit} Yes, I know.. I accept the fact that my behavior as of late has been less than exemplary.. As such, I am the last person to admonish someone about their actions but I am at least trying to change for the benefit of both this site and this community. {/edit}

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@paul,

I do not think you are trying to destroy this site.  However I am learning that too much freedom without accountability is a bad thing.  

Remember, the Internet gives you a certain amount of anonymity, but you are still accountable to the other members who share the use of this site.  This is a lesson I too am learning.

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To wayne:
I have been a long time reader of amiga.org
I like to step in and read the latest news and also the comments from people in the community. I have never registered before because i have never felt the urge to step in with my own comments. But this time i did.
For me your comments felt a little like "Elbox is paying so people should keep silent with critisising". If i read amiga.org I dont want it to be cencored. People should be able to say exactly the same thing about companies that contribute with money as about companys that does not. People can write bad things that needs to be corrected, removed or in some cases the users could even be banned from the site because of bad behaviour. But the comments should not be judged ANY differently because they are critisising Elbox who contributes with money. They get goodwill from paying. That should be enough.
Ofcource its your site. You decide the rules. But for me as a frequent reader of amiga.org the joy of reading the comments would be less if this is the amiga.org policy.

Otherwise, thanks for a good site.

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But the other you mentioned, Genesi who is 'hitting' large targets...advertises all over the Amiga Web, and this site is one of the largest/most influential sites, this is exactly the market they should target. Not saying they will, but under the right circumstances, why not....I've seen their advertisements on amiga.org.ru, why not the real, much bigger amiga.org?

@Marktime

This is where you are wrong.  Bill Buck is very much indeed interested in advertising here on the site and has asked on several occassions.  That being said, I have had no choice but to politely refuse in the case of Genesi.   I had no choice in this matter because it is a direct conflict of interest for me to sell banner advertisements to a company which is directly competing with the company providing the hosting for the site.  

In effect, if I took their assistance (which we always need), I would be using Amiga Inc's assistance to advertise for Genesi.  As I said, I direct conflict of interest.  There were other offers made that I cannot discuss, but neither Bill Buck nor McEwen are the bad guys here.

You might note that there is no Amiga Inc advertisement here which even I find weird.  Because of their involvement in providing the bandwidth, Amiga Inc have an offer for a standing advertisement on this site.  When we changed banner format, I wrote several people including Ray, Gary, and even Bill asking for a new banner and have never received one.

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@marktime

Sorry if I misunderstood.  Just wanted to clarify.  Don't know what Genesi has to do with Elbox though, so this thread has gone astray.

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I am questioning Wayne's comments about having to generate funds for Amiga.org.

Two questions:

First, how can you possibly be confused?  We are hosted by Amiga Inc on a spare machine that we pretty much had to beef up and get working.  Being hosted by Amiga Inc is fine and greatly appreciated, but I personally feel it is creating a bit of a conflict of interest in itself.  Remember, Amiga.org does not, nor has it ever belonged to Amiga Inc and they do not hold the only right to decide whether or not it continues.  You also have to consider the effort and interest of the people involved in running it.

Secondly.... nevermind.  I simply don't understand how you (or anyone) can object to my soliciting donations to help us keep running this site.  Hosting is not the only cost associated with amiga.org.  It never has been.

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So amiga.org wants to publicly ally themselves with proven distributors of malicious code. Maybe instead of throwing money at Amiga.org to get biased coverage, Elbox could hire an ethics consultant instead.

[System]

So there is one standard for Elbox, and another standard for Pegasos/MorphOS!? MorphOS is not necessarily in "direct" competition with AmigaOS anyway - both are compatible to a large extent, therefore both will grow the market for AmigaOS applications.

"If Elbox is guilty of anything, that has yet to be proven."

Obviously you did not see the disassembly that was posted to ANN? Or, if you don't believe, you could disassemble it yourself, if competent to do so. The malicious code IS there, Elbox have admitted it. Trying to pretend it is NOT there under such circumstances is ignoring the truth.