Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents?

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Yes ... in a way.
Note that this is over 2 years old, targeted solely at AmigaDE and can probably be cancelled due to EU law and the genesi merger.
No effect at all.

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Thendic most certainly holds no Amiga patents. And regarding that ancient AmigaDE license, it was solely for a device running PocketPC in conjunction with AmigaDE.

IMO this news item is very misleading, and as I stated on ANN, unless you want to cause confusion, totally not news worthy.

(Other than that I have been told that Thendic did not pay Amiga Inc  the required money for using  this license, so IMO it would be best to take such statements with a grain of salt)

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@ Bill Buck

Mike Bouma, you pass yourself off as an impartial journalist.

I keep hearing the same statements from you guys over and over again.

Once more, as I have stated this publicly many times already:
1) I am an AmigaOS fan, my articles are therefor biased from an AmigaOS fan point of view.
2) My views are based on the information available to me. Based on the information available to me, this news item is very misleading and based on an ancient agreement for a PocketPC powered device.
3) In my opinion everyone is biased to some  extend. In fact, you are trying to create positive bias towards you among Amiga journalists, for example by offering them discounts on Pegasos hardware.
 

Further, if you have read it, how? Did someone who had signed an NDA let you read it?

Exactly, you are pointing to parts of the legal document which are under NDA. You know Ben will not reveal what is written under paragraph 4.2, so you are only sowing confusion.

There are no royalties currently due.

And will there ever be an intention to actually use this license (paying royalties)? In general my feeling is that you acquired this license originally solely to create mindshare among the Amiga community. Yes that's my opinion. You guys even announced this "agreement" far before Amiga Inc was ready to do so. IMO that says alot.

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You guys even announced this "agreement" far before Amiga Inc was ready to do so. IMO that says alot.

In retrospect it looks pretty much like thendic planned to drop Amiga from the beginning and just needed such an announcement to lure some developers and potential buyers away.

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Finally, for all of you that are so quick to criticize the use of these Boards to publicize opinions or ambitions, what are you doing? How does the field of action look from the bleechers? Worse, how about those anonymous folks who do not even have enough guts to say "here I am," but throw mud from hidden positions with no intention of responsibility or accountability. Who is a "Punk?"

I am one of the anonymous critics on ANN (simply because i cant be bothered to type a meaningless handle for every post but thats another story).

My first reaction to this would be a wholehearted "FUKU". On second thought Id like to refine my answer.

What I am doing is critizing YOU for mentionting a 2 years old contract that ...
... has been agreed to under different circumstances
... applies only under certain conditions which you fail to mention
... is closed under nda and therefor cant be checked by the public
... was mentioned in a away that implies it would have any effect which it obviously does not
... was mentioned in a very unprofessional way on a public forum (i realize the news item was posted by alkis not thendic itself)
... could possibly be cancelled due to the genesi merger
... was brought up originally in a completely unrelated thread

Either post the contract you keep talking about in public or ...

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@ Senex

Interesting opinion you have there, I would have said exactly the opposite. To bring all this confusion onto the public, is the worst you could IMO do for the sake of the Amiga community.

There are tons of examples where leading figures have fought issues publicly, with the witness of the general public. IMO this has greatly degraded and damaged the general image of the entire Amiga community.

For example, revealing Fleecy's confidential email meant solely for Bill Buck personally in the past, was very bad IMO. Just like Mr Buck now wants to discuss NDAed material on public forums.

Personally, I don't want to see Amiga employees fighting a "Did so" / "Did not" game on public forums.

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The public cannot make up their mind because the public cannot see the contract. That is also why its unprofessional to discuss this in public. There is no benefit at all to the community - only more confusion.

@bbrv:
Im not sure yet if i will be in aachen. I am definately sure that im not even slightly interested in your product(s) and I see no reason to legally bind myself just to verify a claim made in some newsgroup.

Even if i did ... its legal talk and must be interpreted by a court and i wouldnt be able to discuss my findings afterwards (nda).

Edit: Since this whole things is under nda ... how come you can make claims to its contents without breaking said nda?

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@ Jedi

As the way I see this, Ben Hermans mainly clarifies questions/statements with regard to their product, AmigaOS4.

If this is wise to do so, on a public forum like ANN, I have difficulty forming an opinion. (considering trolling, public insults, etc on ANN)  If Mr. Buck would mainly clarify questions/statements with regard to their products, namely MorphOS/Pegasos, I would most certainly applaud this. And this would IMO mean alot of added value to such forums.

Confusion hower should IMO be avoided at all cost.

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Well, why can't Mr. McEwen - after already posting a comment on ANN - also comment if bbrv's claim regarding §4.2 is true or not?

Because it is under NDA?  :-o

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(except being available now)

*sigh* It is NOT available. A public beta is NOT the final product. Even when 1.0 is final it still contains only an emulation box and very few parts of the actual Morphos, the qbox.

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For me, Pegasos/MorphOS is really a new, powerfull, "Amiga" with a new, modern, "AmigaOS". Ok, that's my personnal point of view. You can agree it or not.

Neither can it be named AmigaOS nor does it contain parts of AmigaOS. At best it is an Amiga-like OS (well, it should be since it emulates an Amiga environment).

Edit: I consider it to be closer to Amithlon; and that is imo no Amiga either.

[System]

Hello,

Just by curiousity, i'd really want to know what is an "Amiga" for you?

Thanks in advance for your answers
Regards

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@Ben hermans

Yes but as you stated yourself in a not so far past, OS 4 will have a similar sandbox design in the future because it'd be needed for implementing the memory protection without breaking compatibility with lot of leagcy AmigaOS 3.x software.

MorphOS have this design already. And IMHO i'm not sure you'll have so much benefit to not use it for the first version of OS 4. I still wondering why you choose a design you claim to be better when you'll need to change it in the future anyway??? For me it's far from being rational.

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@Jedi

A little correction to what you said: MorphOS and AmigaOS 4 don't emulate the custom chips. They use them if they are present (so when running on a A1200, A4000 or A3000 with a PPC card).

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@ JoeAFUA

Just by curiousity, i'd really want to know what is an "Amiga" for you?

To me the name "Amiga" is an exclusive brand/company name, similar to IBM, Atari, Sony or Philips.

A next generation Amiga computer I would see as a fully licensed computer running an official port of AmigaOS. The custom chips are IMO not necessary, but compatibility with them would be a great addition.

Let me explain my point of view with an example:  In 1994 my Amiga was equiped with a cool 4MB Retina BLT Z3 graphic board (1900×1426 8bit 70 Hz or 1024×768 24bit) and 16-bit Toccata soundcard (48KHz).

So the Amiga market was already moving towards 3rd party developed hardware solutions back then. Fellow Amiga users who only owned standard unexpanded Amigas drooled all over my machine, so I believe more people would have expanded their Amigas with 3rd party hardware solutions, if they could afford this at the time.