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Re: BANNED FROM HOME FOR SMACKING SON
« on: December 10, 2004, 02:26:34 PM »
In my office right now I sit twenty feet from a 17 year girl.

She did in fact used to work for me, but at my request she's been moved next door.  During her time in my office, she'd openly behave in an apalling way simply to try my patience.  I've gone out of my way to be polite, professional and to make concessions and each time they've been spat back in my face.  To list all the things she's done would take me far too long and would take even longer to explain why she is still an employee.

The only time she's ever on her best behaviour is when she's openly threatened with dismissal.  Thankfully, the manager of the audit department has taken her under his wing, but is starting to experience the same problems as me.

By her own admission, she's been spoilt rotten and never taught how to behave at home.  If she doesn't get what she wants, she spits out the dummy and stamps her feet in defiance.

This is the kind of chiled growing up today.  I hate to say "when I was a kid" because I had a father who wasn't afraid to use bullying tactics on me, but for the most part we had respect for others.  

Now the message is "do what you like kids, if you don't like it then no-one can do anything about it".  Ordinarily I'd describe myself as a liberal-left wing type, but when it comes to matters of crime & punishment and delinqency I'm as right wing as it gets...  Bring back the birch.
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Re: BANNED FROM HOME FOR SMACKING SON
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2004, 03:46:06 PM »
Actually, my ex assistant shares some amusing traits with this character from "Little Britain".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/littlebritain/pictures/wallpaper/images/school_1024.jpg

Matt Lucas said he got the inspiration for Vicky Pollard by watching teenagers in his local town.
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Re: BANNED FROM HOME FOR SMACKING SON
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2004, 04:06:14 PM »
@Whabang,

If you get the chance to see any clips of Little Britain, Vicky Pollards character is a fascinating insight into chav culture.
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Re: BANNED FROM HOME FOR SMACKING SON
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2004, 07:31:42 PM »
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Here in Sweden, a guy was freed from the accusations of child abuse a while ago. He publically slapped his 14 year-old daughter after she spat him in the face for not buying her a DVD-movie that she wanted.

There was a great outrage among children's-righs activists, and PC-lefties, but the court thankfully decided that a fostering slap is not child abuse.


That's disgraceful.  Had it been me I'd have slapped her too.

Moreover, she'd have forfeitted said DVD priviledges for the next six months.
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Re: BANNED FROM HOME FOR SMACKING SON
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2004, 10:02:15 AM »
It's a deeper problem than just being about corporal punishment, it's about respect.

When I was a kid, I was taught respectful behaviour both by my mother and my teachers at school.  These days, with so much in society geared towards kids, the notion of respect for oneself and others has gone out of the window.  I certainly don't advocate corporal punishment in all cases (indeed my father used it excessively and without warning on me, causing more damage than good), but some sort of deterrant is needed.

Personally, I feel those diabolical teenies who go around breaking into cars and homes without fear of prosecution should either be sent to boot camp or publically birched.  Either way, the notion that one's actions have consequences must be brought home to them in some way.  After all, within ten years they may have children of their own.

Society needs to preserve the rights and wellbeing of children without resorting to hysteria.  Corporal punishment (ie, a short, gentle slap across the buttocks) has been used for countless centuries, but now we're supposed to use other means to discipline our children.

For example, I've two neices aged seven and four.  Normally I absolutely adore then, they give so much unconditional affection and bring smiles aplenty, but they do have their dark sides.  

With my eldest neice, I've been able to reason with her since before she could walk.  Taking the time to explain why she mustn't do something would work more often than not, thus avoiding harsh words.  

The youngest is a different matter, everything you say she mustn't do becomes a challenge.  If you say no to her, she'll do it anyway and she simply won't listen to reason.  Sometimes a simple hard stare will stop her, other times you have to make a threat (ie, go to your room etc) and carry it through.  Backing down in front of a child is a sign of weakness that they'll exploit.  Each time she misbehaves when I babysit, I explain to her that it's her choice whether I stay and read her a story, or send her to bed immediately, depending on the course of her actions.

With both, I always try and instill some respect.  Yesterday they came to see me and Hannah (eldest) said:  

"Playstation!".

My response was simply

"Pardon?"

We carried this game on until she managed

"Uncle Paul, can I play Playstation please?"  

My brother seems quite happy for me to take some disciplinary responsibility while they're in my care, and although I love them both to bits, I believe that fundamental things like good manners and respect are vital skills for any child to learn.
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Re: BANNED FROM HOME FOR SMACKING SON
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2004, 02:24:53 PM »
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Or restoration of those old fashioned jails, whitewashed walls, bed, table,chair, toilet,  New Testament and some other edifying literature as only entertainment. Not these sailing trips in the Mediterrean that is the youth crime correctional system today.



About 14 - 15 years ago we had a spate of car crime in the UK.  Insurance policies trebled in cost (the insurance companies used the joyrider as an excuse to hike premiums) and all of a sudden the press was full of stories about the then chav class going out and stealing cars.

Problem was that no-one made them take any responsibility for their actions.  There was national outcry when they were either banned from driving for a year or two (most were aged under 17 anyway) or in a few cases were sent on "character building" junkets to Kenya....

What should (IMHO) have happened was - as I've said before - instilling a sense of self discipline into them.  They need to know that not only do they have a duty to live by the rules of society but also that they can make a worthy contribution.  Those that went away to Kenya after TWOCing someone's prized Golf GTi and burning it out afterward must have felt very smug with themselves, instead of being made to see their actions have a consequence and being punished accordingly.  If it means being strapped to a bench and having salted birch twigs applied to their bare backsides in public then so be it, I don't have a problem with that.

Instead, we live in a culture where a burglar can sue his victims for injuring him (and increasingly her) while he/she attempts to rob their proporty.  The victim meanwhile cannot expect much in the way of compensation and if they dared sue the burglar for damages it would probably get laughed out of court.  

I'm not advocating a return to kangaroo courts of old, but a return to common sense values.  The victim should receive some satisfaction that justice is done and the perpetrator should be aware that when they choose to waive their responsibilities to society, they also in turn waive rights also.  Only then will our society take crime and punishment seriously.  We can blame the media, Urban Music and pop culture as much as we like, but all these things are a reflection on society, not the other way around.
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Re: BANNED FROM HOME FOR SMACKING SON
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2004, 03:32:48 PM »
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Careful now! You almost sound like Wiliam Hague! :lol:



Oh shhhhh....  Now you've upset me :lol:

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A new bill is currently being passed through parliament that will let home owners "use whatever force THEY deem NECCESSARY" to defend their home against intruders!

I can't fscking wait for someone to try and burgle my house while I'm home!  The day this bill gets passed will be a very happy occasion for all decent people.


Yeah, hopefully it marks a return to common sense.  Unfortunately common sense policies only ever appear once every four years, usually prior to a general election.
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Re: BANNED FROM HOME FOR SMACKING SON
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2004, 11:54:53 AM »
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Finally, you really cannot compare hitting someone in the street with a slap you give a child when it's being headstrong, or throwing a temper tantrum.

NO?? How about the death penalty? Actually I think thats a better comparison.


I don't see why.  I'm very anti capital punishment, but corporal punishment has been a means of correcting a child's errant behaviour for countless centuries and there are occasions when it's justified IMHO.

What I'm talking about here is a simple slap across the buttocks or back of the legs, not a slap across the face or anything like that.  It also shouldn't be something that's administered as an alternative to other punishments, but as a last resort with a clearly defined warning like "if you do that once more then you'll get a smack.  It's up to you whether you get a smack or not".  

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Slapping children is nothing but a quick fix of the symptoms much like the drug use you talked about.


No.  It should be the very last resort and should be made clear to a child that unless they desist from whatever they're doing they will receive a smack.

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The only thing that prevents a 3 year old from hitting back is the sheer physical size difference. Quite a few of those hair-, earpulling and pinching mothers kids get very good at kicking adults on the lower shins at a young age.


Yeah, my youngest neice won't think twice about attempting to scratch / strike and adult when being chastised.  I have very, very strict rules about the use of violence when caring for my nieces (ie they aren't allowed to hit one another) and so far Abby hasn't either tried to scratch me or lash out at me in any way.  However, if a child of mine did that to me, they'd be immediately rewarded with a swift slap across the back of the legs.  
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Now do these "little Kung Fu-masters" act the way they do?
Because they have no reason to obey rules other than avoiding punishment.

It's why a child should be taught the notion of responsibility for one's actions.  Disclipline isn't something that should be the first line of defence, it should be something that's accompanied with an explaination as to why it's being administered.  That way the child quickly learns to correlate their actions with a consequence.  It may sound medieval, but sometimes you can't reason with a child, and they're just as good at mind games as any adult I know.

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The problem is the general attitude about it in society, much like drunk driving.
When I was a kid in the swedish 80s in a middleclass area in the country side(either farmers or detached house owners, mortgage on the house almost paid off, 2 cars, wife working halftime, 2 kids and a dog and/or cats, an A500 or C64 in everyhouse) if somebody pulled their kids hair or ear the whole room went quiet and everybody stared, sometimes somebody elses parents even spoke up.
If there was a case of childabuse in the news everybody assumed that they was either alcoholics or religous wackos because sane normal people just didn´t do that.


So how does a Swede deal with a brattish child?  

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It´s much like drunk driving, sure there has always been laws but not much happened before the promille limit got so low that there was no room for any experimenting with percentages. When ligthbeer or cider to the food was all that it was possible to drink before driving it changed the attitude. Did people pick the carkeys of drunk people at parties in the fiftys? Hell no.


In some ways it is.  You can legally consume a small amount of alcohol and still drive, it should be the case that gentle physical punishment is allowable but striking of the face or anything excessive is considered cruelty.
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