Pegasos review thread volume II (The on topic thread)

[DaveP]

@Wayne

I am waiting on a check from my employer so that I can buy the memory, video card, etcetera needed to build my machine. Once that's done, I'll start evaluating. I got a chance to tinker with Targhan's Pegasos machine Saturday during a visit and I can honestly say that I cannot wait. I am also buying a new digicam so it should come in especially handy.

Wow so you went to the trouble of laying out for a Pegasos but
didn't order the bits needed to get up and running?

[DaveP]

For all intents and purposes its the same concept as the
A1 except the lord giveth ( e.g. a firewire revision ) and
taketh away ( e.g. a PCI slot ) with two major exceptions.

Exception 1: It doesn't and doesn't seem to have no prospect of
running any official Amiga OS post 3.9. (add) A1 does not yet have a
post 3.9 OS release on it.

Exception 2: The AmigaONE XE and up uses a CPU slot and has available
processors for G3/G4 upgrades which are completely incompatible
with the Pegasos CPU slot which is *promised* to have its
own G4 model Real Soon Now and is probably On Schedule
And Rocking. Frankly I prefer to chuck the whole board away and
upgrade more than just a CPU but horses for courses.

Every other difference is minor. You can emulate AOS3.x
on both - at the moment on A1 through UAE and on Pegasos
the same and also hosted on a "sandbox" on its Amiga A Like
OS "MorphOS".

No doubt this is going to turn into a bitch frag but those
are the major differences for a newcomer who is classic
Amiga savvy and doesn't care about the finer points of motherboard
technology ( e.g. not a trainspotter ).

[DaveP]

@Redrumloa

Thanks for clearing that up.

@Kronos

I did not say it was UAE or compared it to that depth, but Im sure the extra info is appreciated.

@mips_proc

IIRC you were pretty pro pegasos and anti Amiga Inc before the "Rom Dongle" debacle. :-D

[DaveP]

Either way it is a spurious difference to most people and
only if you want to take up a political stance over it will you remotely care. If enough Peg/Peg2 owners want to run AOS4 on their Pegs then Im sure they can arrange with a reseller for the reseller to get a license.

However if you ARE interested in taking a political stance over it then Seehund put together a petition against it but I don't remember where it was. I know its in his sig so if you do a search for Seehund you will probably come to the petition.

Back on the review, can you make sure you run as many games/demos as you possibly can? Compile something, use StormC or whatever. One of the things that is going to sell or not sell these new PPC solutions is their ability to run existing programs that people have forked out wodges for.

Stuff like:
  PageStream 4.1
  Aladdin 4D
  Hisoft C++
  Storm C
  etc...

That requires money to get a license.

[DaveP]

Not at all pointless. Without this you will find it difficult to
write/build stuff for earlier Amigas.

If you cant use something system friendly like StormC and Hisoft C then MorphOS can't be up to much ;-).

I am sure that over time people will migrate to GCC but to start with they will want something familiar.

Tell me, what is to stop me installing Dice C on MorphOS and the includes from the Developer CD 2.1 and running a compile job?

 :-?

[DaveP]

@Warface

Because you might want to write stuff that works for more
than just the few hundred that own and run MorphOS.

Do the current ADKs and compilers with the new OSes ( osses? osssesss? damn plurals ) also have previous version of the OS support that is rock solid/stable and all the includes required?

Plus there is also the case where someone doesn't want to sit down and work out how to learn makefiles instead of using projects - or how to migrate from SAS for example. People like a gradual transition.

Actually I use HisoftC for project building and code editing and GCC for compilation anyway so it wouldn't be a problem for *me*.

The point being, just because you don't understand why someone would want to do it, doesn't mean that someone doesn't have a valid reason for wanting to do it *or* will not actually want to do it. :-D

Methinks you doth protest too much ;-)

[DaveP]

@mips

People will want to do everything with a new system that
you haven't told them that they cannot do.

@takemehomegrandma

I just knew someone would bring up AMOS ;-)

[DaveP]

If they fix up powerbasic for MOS it does most of the 2D stuff from the PC blitz distibution.