I`m confused! Genesi VS Amiga.Inc....the saga continues.......

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rayt wrote:
> But I also would appreciate an executive update from Bill McEwen which clarifies everything.

Now that would be a novelty ........

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uncharted wrote:

Hyperion and Eyetech are evil and bad because they tie users to a certain piece of hardware, and yet please remind of all the platforms MorphOS is available for. What's that? Just Pegasos?

There is one little but important difference in here, and it's called honesty.

Genesi have no problem admitting that they alone decide on which HW MorphOS will
run, and they don't hide the fact that they make that desicions only for their own best.

No hiding behind bizzare licences, when in reality it is all a matter of getting max. profit
with min. spending (pretty much what Roque said from a different angle).

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@rayt
First of, how do you know that Eyetech has the same licence that
Genesi could obtain ? Their A1-licence predates the OS4-licence
by about 2 years, and didn't they claim to have exclusive rights
just a few days ago ?

Now, you might go back to to April 2002, and read all the
contradicting statements about what is in the licence (it is free,
we payed for it, it a different one to the A1-licence, only "A1s" will
run OS4, .......), add to it the reseller that tried to obtain such a
licence, only to be ignored by AInc, and the thin reasonigs for
it (copy-protection can be just efficient with just a (USB) dongle,
consumer protection is a joke when AInc is involved, and support
is till today far better at Genesi than it is at Eyetech).....

Not enough ? Well remember Ben H. ranting that he couldn't get a
Peg everytime when he was asked about OS4 for ? Often even
without being asked. Remember how fast that changed to "they
must get a licence" when he was offered a (free) Pegasos, and
even "Genesi must pay for the port" later on ? I somehow doubt
that Eyetech is financing/paying OS4-development.

All strong evidence that there never was licence to be obtained for
Genesi.

Dunno bout Amiga(inc), but there certainly more than a few "reds"
that go screaming around that Genesi would be preventing OS4
from getting ported to the Peg. Most of them 100% unlikely to
ever touch a Pegasos ......

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uncharted wrote:

So how does that make them any better, theyHW.'re still forcing consumers to a limited hardware/software choice.  You're still lambasting Hyperion/Eyetech/Amiga for exacly the same thing that Genesi do.  

And now try to find a single quote from me (younger than 2 years)
were I am "lambasting" the trio-infernale about that ? I have
nothing against it, only in these stupid attempts to blame Genesi
for the trio's desicion.

Offcourse I will shoot through the holes in their logic whenever
they bring that licence up, but I'm that last to protest if/when
Hyperion officially declare that there won't be an OS4-port due to
much work for something that will have a hard time competing
with the OS that allready came free with the HW.

Is Genesi loosing sales opportunities ? Probraly, but would these
outweight the extra work for making an UBoot MOS, trying to fix/
patch the Articia&VIA-bugs in SW ? And how many Peg-sales
would they loose this way ?

Thats the reason why there is no MOS for the A1 right now, and
Genesi had no problem saying it so.

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@rayt

I won't go into detail, but fleecy is pretty much the last guy I would
believe ......

The actual facts and actions do speakmuch louder than words.

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uncharted wrote:


If that is the case, why are you defending people who do with your lame "honesty" excuses? Argument for argument's sake?

I'm defending noone, I'm attacking those that want to blame Genesi
for something that is purely on AInc's/Hyperion's account.

 the general focus of past discussions has been on Eyetech apparently overcharging people for hardware and enforcing/abusing it's "OS4 monopoly".

Let's see, Terrasoft planned 299$+tax&shipping, and yes those people
know how to make a calculation. A1s sell between 600 and 900Euro
(+tax&shipping), so it is quite clear that someone is taking some
Euro more than it is common in retail-buisness. Wether it is Eyetech or
an extreme price for the name AmigaOne, is beyond our knowledge,
but it is quite clear that these 2 have rather little interest in having OS4
on another (cheaper, and probraly better) HW, as Eyetech make 0.0
on it, and the bigger part of the OS4-revenue is ending in Hyperion's
pocket.

Hyperion on the other side may be happy, that all those "buy Peg now,
run OS4 on it later"-users have been kept in limbo, and therefore
haven't grown used to MOS in the last 12-16 months.

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@IonDeluxe

Your logic is flawed beyond believe ....

1. Are you really so naive that you believe that Genesi
could have gotten a licence at the same terms as Eyetech,
when all evidence speaks against it ?

2. Of what use would such a licence be, when OS4 still isn't
ready 1.5 years after the initial MorphOS1.0 ?

3. Why is someone refusing to sign a dubious(at best) licence splitting the community, and not those that put it
up in the 1st place (and for no sane reason) ?

4. The split never was about the HW, it was about the SW(OS).
One side had an OS ready (to some extent) while the other side
only dreamed about stuff that would never come (like the
orginal intent-based OS4), or was falling for madup release
dates.

5. The split didn't happen when BB came into the picture, it
happened when certain individuals did all in their might to
stop MOS from becomming the official OS4. Big suprise that
some of these later took on their own OS4-project .....