Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?

[Kronos]

Oh well now they finally dared to show OS4, and waht do we get ??
Another bunch of useless screenshots :quickdraw:


Did anybody ask, what the were seeing ?
How much is still 68k, and how much is PPC ?
(and no, I don't care wether it is just a recompile away, I want to know what is NOW)
What did run ? 68k SW ? WOS ? OS4-native ?
Is P96 allready intregrated in in graphics/layers, or still patching the orginal libs ?
And how will that affect the AGA-compabilty ?
What HW was used ? SCSI (on the CS-PPC) ? Where new drivers used (emu or native ?), or
ist it still the Phase5-device running in emu ?
What GFX-card ? Zorro,PCI or CV-PPC ? And what others are supported RIGHT NOW ?

And yes I know someone will come around and tell me that I ain't worth an answer
(hi Hans-Jörg), but that doesn't change the fact that my questions are valid, and that
STRAIGHT answer to them would give a much better insight in the state of things as a
million of screenshots could ever do.

[Kronos]

@Thomas

You REALLY are twins it seems ......

And again:

Do you think that my questions are not valid ?

And do you think that not answering them (again) isn't the perfect
amunition for us critics ?

Cos, when I'm forecd to take "no answer" as an answer, I can
only assume that we are seeing somthing like MOS0.1 !

An 100% 68k-OS3.x running on an emulator plus some eyecandy.

Feel free to tell me I am wrong, but if you do so, tell where exactly
I am wrong   :-P

[Kronos]

@andy

"acting like an arse" ?

Wow, thats nice !

Yes, have been criticly about OS4 in the past year, and yes I have
never shyed away from telling what I think about all the Hype around
what is and was just trivial parts of the OS, but I also had am awfull
lot of "acting like an arse" directed at me, by normal users AND
official-AInc/Hyperion people, but that doesn't change the fact
that these are the important questions, and that they have sofar
allways been avoided (often by calling the one asking a troll),
by Hyperion when they did have enough time and energy to rave
about a new dock or HDToolBox.

I'm sure noone would mind an OS4 with 3.9 AmiDock and HDTBox,
but an OS4 without support for the onboard(addons) to the CS-PPC
would/could go nowhere.

And about the orginal questions:
I don't see how they could be seen as asked in an unfriendly way
or should I have reworded them to AO-style

"Dear fleecy/Ben/Hans/Thomas, I do now that OS4 will rock and
that you are doing a real good job, could you tell me how much faster
you SCSI-device is than the one done by the evil evile ones ?"

Somehow I think my question were as straight and fair as they
can get, when you are expecting a substantial answer.

[Kronos]

@Mikeymike

I was expecting that after 19 months we would finally get some
real info on OS4 itself, not just the cream-dressing on top of it.

Guess I was wrong.

[Kronos]

@DaveP

The Friedens did not go down to "my level"
Maybe you  should try to reread this thread with your eyes open with time !

I also allready explained to you that there is no way that you could have seen years of Kronos-postings as I never posted in
any Amiga-forum prior to September 01,  and was more or less pro-OS4 till May 02.

The reason I posted the remark to Hans-Jörg was that he acted just like that on Amiga-News.de, were he tried to put words in
my mouth (try to find a quote were I said that OS4 will never run) without giving proove or answering my question.

My stance on screenshots is known, and prior to this thread there was no NEWS (things we didn't know before) from the tour.

No we finally got some answers, and I must admit that they seem to a bit more advanced as it seemed based on the info (and
reactions to questions) we got from them before. I just don't understand why they didn't make such important steps news themselves.

And yes I still think that "can easily be recompiled" is NOT an answer to the question of how much is PPC-native, and thats
why I put that in.

Would I have the a prob saying what I wrote face to face with them ? NO ! They do have an history of flaming and trolling
 themselves (just look up old ann.l or Amiga-News threads on MorphOS or  Amithon), and if they can't take a spoonfull of
their own medicine .....

[Kronos]

@DaveP
The Colorwheel-gadget comes to mind (there were others, put I'm not sure about what those were).

And just go through the ann.lu-archives till you hit early 02, or even the 1st 2 months worth of posting here
(after the site was restarted), but I'm not sure wether these are still available.

What will you find ? A Kronos who wants OS4 (just not any HW from Eyetech  ;-) ), but allready dares to question the
overoptimistic release dates given at that time.

You will also find a Kronos critizing MorphOS (mainly because there was no WB-replacement  back than).

I even went sofar to seeing MorphOS as useless, since OS4 was "real soon now", but after a while  I managed to see things
a bit more realistic (and so have others who have been strongly in the OS4-camp). In my case the public behaviour of
Hyperion-employees was one major contributing factor, and I don't think I am a single case on this.

[Kronos]

@Ben
"calmy pointing" ?

It really is that lawyers do speak a language of there own ......
(he was more or less threating to pull me to court over that).

I also see no reason to pull my back my statements from back than, as I still think that Ainc's claim of Amithlon being unlicenced
(and since they never went to court over it, it is still just a claim) is connected to them (you) wanting to have the  OS3.5/9-sources
(at your conditions).

Heck. it took AInc allmost a year after Amithlon was 1st sold till they made a public statement about it (the get-legal-or-shut-down-
speech), but even than they didn't dared to put names on those they wanted to blame.

This should have been (by far) the easiest to proove of all the accustations, and the release of Umilator would have brought some cash.

But still nothing, and you still want me that there wasn't any foul play towards H&P ? Sorry, but Mr Haage may be a
controversial character, but atleast his view on that made SOME sense.