PPC970 Benchmarks in 32bit mode

[IonDeluxe]

pipeline depth may not be as great, but the volume is much bigger.200 instructions as against 132 instructions from the last time I looked.
Even if this is wrong we are talking about a 1.4 ghz vs a 3ghz so the Pentium will need a much bigger increase in speed to match a small increase in the 970 to maintain the performance level.

[IonDeluxe]

My POV is simply that this is a promising processor and that any pissing contestes between it and new intel\AMD CPU's to be developed will just have to wait.
I dont have anything against AMD\intel per se, but an improvement as big as this is great for those many people who want to get away from M$ dominated arena's, and at the moment, M$ is dictating to AMD\intel where they should be going for the x86 platform.
With this new processor some very competitive preformance that has been sorely needed is being brought back to the PPC, and in combination with Mac, Linux and Amiga products perhaps it will begin a bit of an exodous from wintel systems and make M$ pull its monopolistic head in.

[IonDeluxe]

None of those companies has been found guilty in an antitrust case have they?

Have you looked at microsoft lisencing policies and costs?

In Aust to buy a simple system $450 windows, $1000 for office.Thats more than the PC to run it in most cases.
.NET is a move towards paying a subsricption to use M$ software...and you still have to buy the software to begin with.

There is much business sense in moving away from those kinds of costs, especially for the home user.

With TCPA M$ is forcing people to use thier products or become incompatible...even with earlier windows products.It is also an attempt to kill GPL as you cant afford to get certification.All this on the x86 platform.

M$ does not have dominance of the PPC platform so it is a good business move if you wanna keep away from the pricing policies of M$.

Note that the Mac**, Amiga** and Atari** were a monopoly within their own markets. **During the reign of 68K.

Well duh. The atari 2600 is still a monopoly within its own market.

The fact of the matter is that the IBM 970 is a good CPU bringing an injection of power into the PPC areana that is at the very least competitve.
The added advantages is that it provides an alternaive to the wintel which is very important to alot of people. There are alot of people who have grown more than dissatisfied with what the x86 offers, and can no longer trust M$.
I am one of those people, I make no bones about it.However, if you believe, like you seem to do, that x86 and M$ is the way to go, then I think you may find that you are in the wrong place.

[IonDeluxe]

@hammer

Yeah, I did make an assumtion, you have said nothing to the contrary of that assumption.If .NET and x86 technology is not what you are supporting, then what are you supporting?

I have no need to do an analysis of the marketplace when a move away is apparent. Aust Govt has issued directives to move to more cost effective use of software resulting in several key departments changing to linux, many other countries are either considering the same move or are implementing it.
Pick up a magazine and with each issue you see more and more linux related articles(and software on the CD).
In the general comunity many formerly avid Wintel users have moved to Linux.

People dont change from something they are happy with unless the new product is better.

Nevertheless, the IBM 970 will give the PPC platform a boost in the performance area exactly when it is badly needed which will give people more options and will make the market more competetive which is good for all consumers.

If these benchmarks are fake I guess time will tell.I doubt IBM would produce a CPU that was crap as there would be no money in it, and they have a knack of making money.

[IonDeluxe]

If .NET and x86 technology is not what you are supporting, then what are you supporting?

Is that relevant?

Yes it is relevant,without a clear POV no-one can see where you are arguing from, or where you are trying to argue to, so discussion of a given subject is at best difficult.

I dont particularly care what magazines encourage, the fact is that 5 years ago these magazines had much less linux related product included in them if ANY.This shows a clear move away from windows.

The TCPA issue is also forcing a choice between windows and linux.TCPA certification costs money, something alot of those providing software for linux under GPL dont have.Also, the upcoming M$ products wont run if the hardware is not TCPA enabled so what Linux can run will be limited, as will all OS's that are not under TCPA certification.

anyway, all of this is speculation until it all happens, maybe we should take about it again in 5-10 years.

[IonDeluxe]

I am afraid I don't gree with any of those sources you have listed.
No-one can accurately state how much of a market share linux has as its freely distributeable.the increase in linux related content in magazines and other publications is a very strong indicator of the move away from MS windows.The same kind of indications are used in economy when they track job adds.
I dont like .NET, TCPA, and other MS strategies, I think it just gives too much power to MS over my freedom of choice, and I find it is anti competetive.
The performance of the IBM 970 is competetive(so long as costs are in line also) and can only be viewed as good news, especially for those that have not moved away from x86 and\or windows as they were concerned about perfomance.

It is also interesting to note that many large companies such as IBM have signed up on various anti - TCPA organizeations, as well as being part of the TCPA conglomeration.

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree