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Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: The value of "real" Amiga hardware
« on: December 27, 2013, 05:11:33 AM »
Your analysis on prices is pretty much spot-on.  Here on the other side of the pond it's about the same, when you can even find the hardware.  About the only things that are occasionally still "reasonable" priced are A500's ($50-$100) and A2000's ($200-$300).  The more high end stuff, A3000's, 4000's, or any of that PPC hardware you listed... fuggedaboutit!  :cry:
 
About the only thing that doesn't seem to be worth any money is 1084 monitors.  I've had about five of them go through my hands recently, they don't survive being shipped very well so I usually try to just give them away to good homes locally.  Still have a couple sitting on the floor in my office, tired of tripping over them!  Make me an offer, LOL.  ;)
 
Am sure there's a lot of factors involved, a few off the top of my head would be:

- Hoarders :pissed:
- Systems breaking down
- High end systems that people built in late '90s-early 2000's sitting in people's closets, no longer used
- People thinking they can get a king's ransom for "rare" or "vintage" hardware
- People who wanted high end systems when they were kids and couldn't afford them back in the day, now that we're all (somewhat) more financially sound, buying up things
 
I still see a lot of Amiga stuff turn up online as part of estate sales.  Wonder what the average age of an Amiga user is, now?  At 37 I think I'm one of the younger ones.  Eventually (sad to say it, but it's the truth) some of these people will pass on, or are already.  Wonder if their kids will know what to do with this stuff?  Or just toss it?

Anyhow, enough ruminating on this subject, I still say damn the hoarders!  :destroy:
Amiga 500: 2MB Chip|16MB Fast|30MHz 68030+68882|3.9|Indivision ECS|GVP A500HD+|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|Cocolino|SCSI DVD-RAM
Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
 Amiga videos and other misc. stuff at https://www.youtube.com/CompTechMike/videos
 

Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: The value of "real" Amiga hardware
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2013, 03:29:42 PM »
Quote from: Tenacious;755582
I wonder, did you sell off because of dissatisfaction with an ubber expanded Amiga?

I didn't own any classic Amiga hardware for nearly 10 years, sold off my moderately expanded A1200 piecemeal out of frustration in 2003 after all three of my hard drives crashed within a week of each-other, taking with them 11 years worth of data and countless nights of customization work.  Right before the last one went I ran out and bought a new 20GB hard drive (not cheap at the time) and got as far as installing 3.9 on it, with the plan to try to transfer everything onto it, but then a failed file transfer left me with a corrupt recursive directory structure (that looked like Libs:Libs, Libs:Libs/Libs, Libs:Libs/Libs/Libs, etc.) that the OS couldn't validate and would Guru...  and that's when the last HD failed.

Sad story!  I still have those old hard drives, someday I'll send them to a data recovery place, haha.  ;)  And these days all of my Amigas use CF cards instead of hard drives.  LESSON LEARNED.  :idea:

I still suspect that periodically we'll see the market flooded with hardware if/when one of these old collectors/hoarders dies.  I've heard (and seen a few pictures) of people that have 20 or more Amiga systems.  Just hope that this stuff gets put on Ebay or somewhere and not trashed! :pissed:
 
Personally I don't try to keep more than one spare part for each critical component in my Miggy's.  Everything else I sell off.  I'm too OCD to hoard this sh**, LOL.  ;)
Amiga 500: 2MB Chip|16MB Fast|30MHz 68030+68882|3.9|Indivision ECS|GVP A500HD+|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|Cocolino|SCSI DVD-RAM
Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
 Amiga videos and other misc. stuff at https://www.youtube.com/CompTechMike/videos
 

Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: The value of "real" Amiga hardware
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2013, 04:27:36 PM »
Quote from: Tenacious;755618
How many Amigas makes an Amigan evil?

Good point.  I applaud your rescue efforts.  I guess the question is, how many can you use?  I have two Amigas, one at home and one at the office.  That's really all I need.  What I dislike about "hoarders" is that they're keeping other people from possibly becoming Amiga owners themselves, or from access to repair parts.  As another commentor said, "they had to give up an A1200 and an A2000 due to lack of affordable parts".  That really speaks for itself.  It might be different in your area, but when I wanted to get back into owning classic hardware I searched for over a year to find a good condition, reasonably-priced system anywhere near me.  I'm happy with what I got, but it was a lot of work.  Oh well, everyone needs a hobby, right?  :D

PS - my girlfriend probably would not agree with you that I'm "well-rounded" or "balanced".  Although she does enjoy playing a game of Lemmings with me... even if I do kick her bu** at it, haha.  :D
Amiga 500: 2MB Chip|16MB Fast|30MHz 68030+68882|3.9|Indivision ECS|GVP A500HD+|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|Cocolino|SCSI DVD-RAM
Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
 Amiga videos and other misc. stuff at https://www.youtube.com/CompTechMike/videos
 

Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: The value of "real" Amiga hardware
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2013, 01:58:52 AM »
@Haywirepc - all of the parts you listed can be found on Amibay or AmigaKit. I expect it will cost you $200-$300, give or take, unless you want to go a little higher on the accelerator. Let me know if you're having trouble finding any of them, I've seen links to purchase pretty much every item you listed within the last day or two. Honestly that's not too bad, considering what some of these other parts go for. :(
 
@Tenacious - now you understand! Most days a search for "Amiga 2000" on ebay is going to yield you a couple chips, a Video Toaster board, some dead floppy drives, a couple fake sellers with systems listed for $800-$1000 (look at them, they're all using the same pictures, it's some kind of scam), and three pages of Amiga World magazines at $10 a pop. There are basically almost no systems left to buy, is what it seems like.
 
IMHO @Megamig should sell one of his A1200's to @Haywirepc. The former doesn't need 'em as he's clearly tripping over stacks of A3000's and A4000's, and the latter has been asking for reasonable prices on those small bits for months. Or maybe that's just the socialist in me, thinking "the rich should share their wealth". I'd Robin Hood that guy, LOL. :D
Amiga 500: 2MB Chip|16MB Fast|30MHz 68030+68882|3.9|Indivision ECS|GVP A500HD+|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|Cocolino|SCSI DVD-RAM
Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
 Amiga videos and other misc. stuff at https://www.youtube.com/CompTechMike/videos
 

Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: The value of "real" Amiga hardware
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2013, 02:32:33 AM »
Just wanted to share this with the thread. So I ordered a Picasso II from a guy in Greece this morning. Excited for it to get here, it'll be the first Amiga video card I ever own. I've been watching for one for months.  The thread on Amibay only had two views before I snapped it up, LOL. After shipping and Paypal fees it'll cost me over $250 USD.
 
Think that's expensive?
 
I was watching a couple other video cards. They both sold today. Here's what they went for:
 
Cybervision 64/3D. $513.96 USD
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=111242576457&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:3160
 
Picasso IV. $524.63 USD
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=121239691795&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:3160
 
Crazy! Someday if I ever find someone sitting on a stack of Amiga video cards, I'm going to go all "mob rule" on them, LOL. :biglaugh:
« Last Edit: December 29, 2013, 02:42:36 AM by Oldsmobile_Mike »
Amiga 500: 2MB Chip|16MB Fast|30MHz 68030+68882|3.9|Indivision ECS|GVP A500HD+|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|Cocolino|SCSI DVD-RAM
Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
 Amiga videos and other misc. stuff at https://www.youtube.com/CompTechMike/videos
 

Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: The value of "real" Amiga hardware
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2013, 02:44:48 AM »
Quote from: royalcrown;755647
HE is the SINGLE reason there are no Amigas to collect. Quite simply, he owns them all...:biglaugh:

I got as far as "15 A1200's" before I started to weep silently, LOL. ;)
 
Edit: Notice that website has been several years since it's even been updated?  What's that guy doing with all of them now?  Is he even still active in the community?  Or are they collecting dust?
Amiga 500: 2MB Chip|16MB Fast|30MHz 68030+68882|3.9|Indivision ECS|GVP A500HD+|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|Cocolino|SCSI DVD-RAM
Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
 Amiga videos and other misc. stuff at https://www.youtube.com/CompTechMike/videos
 

Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: The value of "real" Amiga hardware
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2013, 03:02:01 AM »
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
 
You rock, dude.  If you ever make it down to the DC area I'm going to buy you a beer, LOL.  :D
Amiga 500: 2MB Chip|16MB Fast|30MHz 68030+68882|3.9|Indivision ECS|GVP A500HD+|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|Cocolino|SCSI DVD-RAM
Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
 Amiga videos and other misc. stuff at https://www.youtube.com/CompTechMike/videos
 

Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: The value of "real" Amiga hardware
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2013, 06:45:52 AM »
Quote from: Gulliver;755657
Amiga current value = (Retail price when model was being discontinued / 2) * Hoarders * (Profitters + 100) + FUD * Ebay R@rity - item condition + sentimental value + mad seller randomness

Ha!  Your math is spot-on!  :biglaugh:
Amiga 500: 2MB Chip|16MB Fast|30MHz 68030+68882|3.9|Indivision ECS|GVP A500HD+|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|Cocolino|SCSI DVD-RAM
Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
 Amiga videos and other misc. stuff at https://www.youtube.com/CompTechMike/videos
 

Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: The value of "real" Amiga hardware
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2013, 07:27:59 PM »
Any graphics card is "probably" better than no graphics card. My concern is the price the darn things are going for (even a crummy one... and half-a-grand for decent ones)! I could use some choice words, but anyway it will be fun to play around with. :p
 
BTW, hey @Mechy, what's your thoughts on removing that one resistor near the back outright, for using modern LCD monitors? I saw your comment a couple years ago on that thread on EAB. Thanks! :)
« Last Edit: December 29, 2013, 07:48:32 PM by Oldsmobile_Mike »
Amiga 500: 2MB Chip|16MB Fast|30MHz 68030+68882|3.9|Indivision ECS|GVP A500HD+|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|Cocolino|SCSI DVD-RAM
Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
 Amiga videos and other misc. stuff at https://www.youtube.com/CompTechMike/videos
 

Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: The value of "real" Amiga hardware
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2013, 01:07:11 AM »
Quote from: gizmo350;755690
Speaking of real world value...  SCSI Card Readers on ebay are now ridiculously priced... I see one for $220.00!!! :evil:

Mechy, are you ever going to be getting any more? Have you found a supplier yet? I really would like one for my A2000. :biglaugh:

I love my SCSI card readers! Got one from Mechy and then a second one off ebay after he ran out. Most of those scammers now are just slapping their own label on ones from him, after marking up 200%. Argh! :(  Too bad we can't figure out a way to manufacture more!
« Last Edit: December 30, 2013, 01:10:25 AM by Oldsmobile_Mike »
Amiga 500: 2MB Chip|16MB Fast|30MHz 68030+68882|3.9|Indivision ECS|GVP A500HD+|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|Cocolino|SCSI DVD-RAM
Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
 Amiga videos and other misc. stuff at https://www.youtube.com/CompTechMike/videos
 

Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: The value of "real" Amiga hardware
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2013, 05:21:17 AM »
@gateres - your hardware, your call what to do with it, but you could always post up a list here in the Marketplace section or somewhere like Amibay (both sites are free to list on, and you'd be dealing directly with members of the Amiga community). You never know, that pile of hardware that you don't care much about might contain just the parts that someone else has been searching for to make a running system. Just a thought! Thanks! :D
Amiga 500: 2MB Chip|16MB Fast|30MHz 68030+68882|3.9|Indivision ECS|GVP A500HD+|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|Cocolino|SCSI DVD-RAM
Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
 Amiga videos and other misc. stuff at https://www.youtube.com/CompTechMike/videos
 

Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: The value of "real" Amiga hardware
« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2013, 05:35:57 PM »
Quote from: Tenacious;755839
It's amazing the difference a few days can make. Today, I find 3 A2000s from an Austin Goodwill, all starting at $9.99 as-is.

Yup, watching all those myself, LOL.  I really wonder about the backstory of some of these items?  That Goodwill store has listed severall other Amiga's recently, and also has a lot of four Vic-20's for sale now.  Oh well, probably will never know!
Amiga 500: 2MB Chip|16MB Fast|30MHz 68030+68882|3.9|Indivision ECS|GVP A500HD+|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|Cocolino|SCSI DVD-RAM
Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
 Amiga videos and other misc. stuff at https://www.youtube.com/CompTechMike/videos
 

Offline Oldsmobile_Mike

Re: The value of "real" Amiga hardware
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2014, 03:26:38 AM »
Quote from: Tenacious;755950
It is almost as if the sellers have agreed among themselves to ask ludicrous prices hoping to convince everyone that that is the new normal.

I am baffled by auctions such as these:
 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Commodore-Amiga-2000-HD-/281124377553
 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Commodore-Amiga-2000-HD-/130927097472
 
If you look at the photos you can tell clearly that it's the same system. But it's different seller accounts, different prices, and different item locations. I've seen the exact same A2000 system pop up a couple dozen times on ebay, always for some ridiculous price. Honestly don't understand what this is, is it some kind of scam?
Amiga 500: 2MB Chip|16MB Fast|30MHz 68030+68882|3.9|Indivision ECS|GVP A500HD+|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|Cocolino|SCSI DVD-RAM
Amiga 2000: 2MB Chip|136MB Fast|50MHz 68060|3.9|Indivision ECS + GVP Spectrum|Mechware card reader + 8GB CF|AD516|X-Surf 100|RapidRoad|Cocolino|SCSI CD-RW
 Amiga videos and other misc. stuff at https://www.youtube.com/CompTechMike/videos