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Amiga OS -- Application questions and support / Re: The Os 3.1.4 Thread
« Last post by wawrzon on September 23, 2018, 11:07:04 PM »
@thor
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Even if Hyperion goes bankrupt, it surely does not affect the software on your system.

i think, what people are wondering about is, why invest so much work for a limited outcome (you call it a bugfix release yourself), one might not be able to build upon any further (due to contractual circumstances). see what (expectably) happened to p96 as example.
thats also probably what amigakit was pointing at. however this exactly is what you (understandably) do not want to discuss here, so consider it an off topic, alright.
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Amiga OS -- Application questions and support / Re: The Os 3.1.4 Thread
« Last post by wawrzon on September 23, 2018, 10:57:10 PM »
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I'll probably pick and chose from 3.1.4 components

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so changing some libraries and careful use of the setpatch command should allow anything from 3.14 work perfect with an OS 3.9 install.
that, once assumed 3.1.4 kickstart come in a form that allows he regular user to cherry pick its components, which i doubt, because it would defeat its purpose, both conceptually and commercially.
people are able to manipulate the genuine kickstarts thanks to doobrey tools extracting and compiling in the particular modules, right. but this was a necessary hack, introduced years after they have been abandoned with no further support. if 3.1.4 was intended for the user to be recombined at will it would create support hell without limits.

speaking of dragging windows outside the screen, im wondering why is it so complicated. power windows did that, and very well (i have been using the hack for years). aros is doing it. hell, even os4 is able to do that.. well. that might have been a feature worth an update, while all of them, as far as i read, actually are already covered by hacks and patches.
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Amiga OS -- Application questions and support / Re: The Os 3.1.4 Thread
« Last post by giZmo350 on September 23, 2018, 10:46:56 PM »
When might this be available for purchase?  :D
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Amiga OS -- Application questions and support / Re: The Os 3.1.4 Thread
« Last post by utri007 on September 23, 2018, 10:05:24 PM »
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I have already performed the 3.9 + 3.1.4 integration several times: It requires some work, but it is not voodoo magic by any means.

Could you tell more about this? This what I'm going todo, so I'm interested.
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Amiga OS -- Application questions and support / Re: The Os 3.1.4 Thread
« Last post by Thomas Richter on September 23, 2018, 09:45:23 PM »
Why should we get excited about this if this branch will be equally likely to dry up should Hyperion's money problems end in bankruptcy? OS3.9 is fine for users IMHO and there are a small number of Classic developers still operating that a bug fix may interest so what exactly are we attempting to achieve?
Look, I'm not doing a sales pitch here, because I don't have to. My income from this is exactly zero, and it's all for fun. It's a bug fix after all, even though it went a bit overboard. So, there is really nothing revolutionary new here, and I'm not trying to sell you this as something new.

Even if Hyperion goes bankrupt, it surely does not affect the software on your system. It does not make the update worse, even if it is the last update. So, what exactly are you afraid of? That it is the last update? And if so, why would it help not to install it?

AmiKIT is a Workbench replacement, many still use Directory Opus and now Amiga OS 3.1.4 is here!?! Rather than ask us to ask Thomas technical questions Thomas should tell US why this is of interest and what would be the benefit of buying it over and above OS3.9? I'm not trolling, this is a serious question.
3.1.4 is not a workbench replacement. An updated workbench is part of it, yes. But it is an updated operating system. Why this is of interest? How should I know - why do you care about an Amiga? An Amiga is not a "useful" system anyhow. If your main use is to play legacy games, for example, the operating system is irrelevant for you in first place, and you probably run it under 1.3.

I addressed and fixed the bugs I found probably because I'm a little bit perfectionistic, and I like to get the system as good as I possibly can.

I don't know whether this is a "sufficient" explanation for you, but as said, I don't need to sell 3.1.4. to you. It is the way how I wanted to have it, under the constraints we had. I would have also loved to update 3.9, but we couldn't. So it is 3.1.4, not 3.9.4, neither 3.14.

Lots of work and extra 060 support is a great addition IMHO but does this all actually add up to a better and more complete product compared to OS3.9 or do you just view this a cleaner and future proof (from a technical viewpoint rather than legal obviously) version?
Actually, that list is a bit outdated by now in the sense that the list is quite a bit incomplete. Anyhow....

3.1.4 goes into a different direction than 3.9. 3.9 was about new features. 3.1.4 is about bugfixing. Why not a 3.9 bugfix? Because 3.9 is lost in time and space. 3.1.4 is the best we could do.

Is it "future proof"? I beg your pardon. Amiga and "future"... If you want a future proof system, buy a PC or a smartphone. Actually, buy a new one every two years. (-:

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General chat about Amiga topics / Re: Mark R. Brown passed away RIP
« Last post by motrucker on September 23, 2018, 07:35:48 PM »
Mark Brown and Benn Dunnington set a real benchmark with .info Magazine. I'll miss Mark. Can't believe I'm just hearing about this.

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General chat about Amiga topics / Re: WS500XXX Scala Rackmount System
« Last post by motrucker on September 23, 2018, 07:26:49 PM »
I thought I had seen all of Scala's brainstorms. Obviously I missed one.
Draugr,
      Does it work?

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Amiga OS -- Application questions and support / Re: The Os 3.1.4 Thread
« Last post by Dynamic_Computing on September 23, 2018, 07:24:48 PM »
I agree with Gulliver - The Amiga OS is fairly simple at its core, so changing some libraries and careful use of the setpatch command should allow anything from 3.14 work perfect with an OS 3.9 install. I personally like OS 3.9 (Except the horribly long boot times), but I certainly will be buying 3.14 when it comes out!
The other benefit of the Amiga OS is that it really easy to back up the entire OS and all partitions, allowing you to play with things and test things, and if they break, just copy the old install right back to the original drive.
I am very excited for the new patch, and I hope it is a success for the group that is working on it.
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Amiga OS -- Application questions and support / Re: The Os 3.1.4 Thread
« Last post by Gulliver on September 23, 2018, 07:18:44 PM »
Always nice to see additional development, even if it means more fragmentation.  I'll probably pick and chose from 3.1.4 components (once released) to add to my existing 3.9 systems.  Of course I don't expect anyone to support these hacked together kludges beyond myself.  ;)

Not really fragmentation. Let me explain:

All 3.1.4 components are way beyond in fixes and features than what 3.9 brought to the table. What 3.1.4 lacks is all those third party applications that 3.9 brought along, like video player, web browser, dock bar, tcp-ip stack, etc.

The core of the Operating System is way better in all aspects than what 3.9 ever was/is.

The best part of this, is that taking some precautions, you can integrate 3.1.4 in a working 3.9 system, and get the best things of both worlds: the best OS core (3.1.4), and the more handy applications some of which came with 3.9.

I have already performed the 3.9 + 3.1.4 integration several times: It requires some work, but it is not voodoo magic by any means.
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Amiga Editorials / Re: 10 Minute Amiga Retro Cast
« Last post by Dynamic_Computing on September 23, 2018, 07:18:38 PM »
10 Minute Amiga Retro Cast version 6 is up now. In this episode, I am covering the Digital creations DCTV Slow Scan digitizer. That thing is great! It is a bit long (24 minutes), but I had a lot to cover. I think I would occasionally prefer to do one double sized video instead of two  smaller videos like I did with the Rapid Road review. Any preferences?

I will have the MPEG1 video uploaded to Aminet soon, but I may pass this week on the HAM6 and HAM8 videos - with a video this size, they would be larger than a Gig...

Anyway, enjoy the video and share it with your friends!

https://youtu.be/mfSvmWmUQKI
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