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AuthorTopic: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarifications  (Read 4621 times)

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Offline strobe

Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #30 on: December 05, 2002, 01:12:30 AM »
When you go to Aachen you'll easily recognize the Amiga Inc. zealots, they'll have fingers in their ears acting like they have Tourette's syndrome:

"Nya nya nya nya!"

Of course, I could be wrong. We'll have to see |-)

(pity I probably won't hear what happened until the week after)
 

Offline strobe

Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #31 on: December 05, 2002, 01:13:21 AM »
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Hrmpf! What's the deal with the back-peddling?
Yesterday, the April chip added new features to Artica and now suddenly it's fixing bugs instead.  


Actually he said it does both.
 

Offline Argo

Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #32 on: December 05, 2002, 08:13:19 AM »


This is pretty good. Can't wait for the DVD to see all the deleted stuff and the behind the scenes.



Speculation is the Devils playground.
 

Offline jedi

Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #33 on: December 05, 2002, 09:18:03 AM »
@all:

Who says insults ? who spreads misinformation or FUD ? who continues the war ? who is blind ?...

Again and again and again...

I know that is easy to say what you want when peoble are misinformed on forums like this (by some famous specialists of misinformation), especially when their passion forces them to believe blindly only on the "official" way and the simple "Amiga" name (aka the Hyperion/Eyetech/Amiga Inc. group).

But, again,  you can not change the reality, NEVER :

The great PowerPC Pegasos is ALREADY HERE,
The great MorphOS (AmigaOS compatible) is ALREADY HERE on Pegasos AND on Amiga Classic PPC (for 2 years).

Before to follow blindly and judge wrong, please try to see and to test YOURSELF these products already here, all these products :

Pegasos, MorphOS : there are a lot of meetings & shows for that and many betatesters around the world. After Aachen (next week-end in Germany), more and more users/consumers will own the FINAL release of the Pegasos/MorphOS at home. Seriously, it's very easy to see this reality.

AmigaOne, AmigaOS4 : there are also a lot of meetings & shows to see the AmigaOne (and to test it on... Linux). Sorry, that's the reality : you can not test the final AmigaOS4 on AmigaOne (nor on AmigaClassic PPC) simply due to AmigaOS4 is not ready and finished (when ? that's the question...). Seriously, it's very easy to see this reality.

And don't forget that ALL these projects (Pegasos, MorphOS, AmigaOne, AmigaOS4) are ALL developped by TRUE Amigans (for many years) like you (I hope you are).
RELEC Press Relation,
Software & Hardware AmigaOS/MorphOS :
http://www.relec.ch
http://www.pegasos-suisse.com
_________________________________________

http://www.sebastien-jeudy.fr
 

Offline Rassilon

Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #34 on: December 05, 2002, 09:40:53 AM »
Well quite a few people have been talking about Genesi showing the Articia fault on an AOne this saturday, but has anyone really thought about it?

Alan Redhouse has already said that they were unable to reproduce the error and thinks that it may be a MorphOS problem.

Well what do you think that Genesi are going to show on 'their' AOne? It sure isn't going to be OS4 now is it?

So that means they will probably run either MorphOS or Linux. If its the former then if the bug is in MorphOS....
If its the latter, then don't forget that a lot of work was done on LinuxPPC to get it to run properly on the Aone, who's to say that Genesi have the latest version?

These are just a few ideas that I felt I should share

L8rs

Rassilon
Yes it is a dodgy picture, but what do you expect from a mobile phone camera!!

Oh yeah and I own an A1200T/060 with Mediator etc and an A1G3SE
 

Offline Orgin

Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #35 on: December 05, 2002, 09:42:51 AM »
@jedi

I hope you're not diluting yourself in thinking that "famous specialists of misinformation" are coming from one camp alone. Passions reside on every side here, blinded by hate for Ainc, hate for Genesi, love for Ainc, love for Genesi and so on. All camps are swelling over by misinformation and misinformed people. And pointing fingers at one camp alone will not get anyone anywhere.

The most discusting of them all are people who call others BAF's and BMF's just because they don't share their love or hate for whatnot. And because they feel sooo cool sitting in their school yard clubs of internal admiration calling other people catchy names. How pathetic can people get.

/Björn
Mooh?
 

Offline Fot

Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #36 on: December 05, 2002, 10:01:37 AM »
@Jedi,

Do you know what FUD stands for? Please read the clarification by Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck one more time. Statements like:

"The is no Mai without April. The Articia does not work as promoted."

"Everything that has been promised for the AmigaOne and the Pegasos will not work without April."

"We are the poor stepchild now."

"Oh yes, you want to buy a G4 A1? Wake up people! "

"There is no leadership or vision and we need both fast or we can forget it."

"The whole Mai/YDL collaboration has changed the situation dramatically. "

Don't you think that one could say these statements could cause fear and uncertainty?

You state that the great PowerPC Pegasos is ALREADY HERE! But if I was to believe Velasco & Buck, what's already here is a Pegasos that doesn't work since it's not fitted with April.

However, MorphOS is here. But why isn't everyone rushing to buy and use it? Because it's not called AmigaOS. No matter how superior Pegasos & MorphOS may be (if it is), it can't be marketed and named an Amiga PC running AmigaOS.

Do you honestly believe that Genesis will be able to market a product as the future Amiga platform without being able to call it Amiga?
 

Offline Orgin

Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #37 on: December 05, 2002, 10:09:25 AM »
@Fot  (Hmm, that's the swedish word for foot :) Are you ingvar Carlsson ? ;) Sorry, just a joke for the swedish readers. No harm intended :)

"Do you honestly believe that Genesis will be able to market a product as the future Amiga platform without being able to call it Amiga?"

Whomever wins the mob can do just about whatever s(he) feels like, and the mob will swallow it with a smile.

/Björn
Mooh?
 

Offline jedi

Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #38 on: December 05, 2002, 10:11:01 AM »
Just to say that I prefer to believe hardware & software specialists like Gerald Carda (conceptor of Pegasos) and Ralph Schmidt (conceptor of MorphOS) than people like Alan Redhouse (reseller of Amiga products), Ben Hermans (lawyer), Frieden brothers (who try to develop an Operating System after * to port * games, that's absolutely not the same computing speciality).

And how to believe Ben Hermans (the lawyer) when he says that AmigaOS4 will be available on Amiga Classic PPC before the end of 2002 (25 days left...) and fully available (for users/consumers) on AmigaOne in March 2003 (CeBit in Germany said McEwen recently...), when they have ONLY what the MorphOS Team finished to develop * 2 years ago *...

Alan is a great reseller, Ben certainly a good lawyer, Frieden's sure good game developers, but sorry if I don't believe their estimations and plans in the AmigaOS4 development.

In reality, it's very strange : by reading the AmigaOS4 Team (beginners in high technology) we can think that is very easy to develop (or adapt) an Operating System, for example an OS4 just at the beginning. And by reading the MorphOS Team (professionals in high technology for many years) we can see that is not so easy to develop an Operating System, for example an MOS v1.0 ready to be used & sold now.

Sure, who to believe...
RELEC Press Relation,
Software & Hardware AmigaOS/MorphOS :
http://www.relec.ch
http://www.pegasos-suisse.com
_________________________________________

http://www.sebastien-jeudy.fr
 

Offline Fot

Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #39 on: December 05, 2002, 10:17:52 AM »
"Whoever wins the mob can do just about whatever s(he) feels like, and the mob will swallow it with a smile."

Did anyone say Microsoft?

And no, I'm not Ingvar "the foot" Carlsson. :-)
 

Offline Orgin

Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #40 on: December 05, 2002, 10:20:38 AM »
@Fot

"Did anyone say Microsoft?"

Not that I can see? (I must have missed your point there, sorry, please explain a bit. (seriously))

"And no, I'm not Ingvar "the foot" Carlsson. "

LoL :) Ok :)

/Björn
Mooh?
 

Offline jedi

Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #41 on: December 05, 2002, 10:23:49 AM »
@Fot:

Alan said : "Its a matter of public record that Thendic-France incorporated as a one-man company with the minimum 7500 euros of capital."

Sorry if I don't believe a man who doesn't know exactly what is a "SARL" company. ;)


"Do you honestly believe that Genesis will be able to market a product as the future Amiga platform without being able to call it Amiga?"

Definitely sure ! Simply because Pegasos and MorphOS are more open (portable and modern, not only the 68k to PPC port like OS4) than AmigaOS4 on AmigaOne (with dogle limitation). In fact, I'm not sure that the "Amiga" name is really an advantage to attract more people and large consumers (for majority of people Amiga is definitely dead for many years, with an old image).
RELEC Press Relation,
Software & Hardware AmigaOS/MorphOS :
http://www.relec.ch
http://www.pegasos-suisse.com
_________________________________________

http://www.sebastien-jeudy.fr
 

Offline Fot

Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #42 on: December 05, 2002, 10:55:42 AM »
@Björn
I consider Windows users the "mob" :-)

@jedi
Trust no one! Both companies have proven to me they know how to lie, or at least they have their own perception of the truth.
 

Offline jedi

Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #43 on: December 05, 2002, 11:07:06 AM »
"or at least they have their own perception of the truth."

But, who is right... ;)

Answer in the future.
RELEC Press Relation,
Software & Hardware AmigaOS/MorphOS :
http://www.relec.ch
http://www.pegasos-suisse.com
_________________________________________

http://www.sebastien-jeudy.fr
 

Offline System

Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #44 on: December 05, 2002, 11:23:56 AM »
@ Jedi

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And don't forget that ALL these projects (Pegasos, MorphOS, AmigaOne, AmigaOS4) are ALL developped by TRUE Amigans (for many years) like you (I hope you are).


I personally believe 3rd party Amiga-like efforts should be applauded, that is not a problem for me. The main problem is that their main man/spokesman, Bill Buck is sowing FUD/misinformation among the Amiga community on a continuous basis. That they try to hype (within limits) their own products isn't a real problem either, most companies are doing so. But spreading nonesense like this about 3rd party efforts is truly pathetic.

And in my opinion the AmigaOS4 team includes many excellent developers. Also the Frieden brothers are truly among the best developers the Amiga community has to offer. MAI also seems to think so, else they wouldn't have hired them to do the work another much larger company was supposed to do.