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Offline number6

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #330 on: March 17, 2020, 11:20:22 PM »
Wild guess - the lawyers, like everyone else working for Hyperion... were not paid?

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On August 12, 2019, Ms. Elsden advised Plaintiffs’ counsel that her firm had not
been retained to represent Hyperion in this action.
 Consequently, no appearance has been filed by anyone on behalf of Hyperion.

Source

So...official removal but not new really.

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Offline Tygre

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #331 on: March 18, 2020, 03:38:07 AM »
I f I were mod, I would ban Kolla forever just like mods on eab did. That would be good start.

Hi Utri007!

Yes, I totally agree! Unfortunately, there is no moderation here right now, short of contacting directly Trevor when things really go too far :-\

Take care!
Tygre

Offline ronniebeck

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #332 on: March 18, 2020, 08:57:08 AM »
I f I were mod, I would ban Kolla forever just like mods on eab did. That would be good start.
Hi Utri007!
Yes, I totally agree! Unfortunately, there is no moderation here right now, short of contacting directly Trevor when things really go too far :-\

I like the questions he has been posting in recent times.  Through his challanges to Thomas Richter..............ah he calls himself guest11527 now (LOL)..........we have had a little insight into how OS 3.1.4/3.2 is being developed.  We have also learned that some, if not all, of the developers don't seem to understand (accept?) the wishes of the wider Amiga user base.  The FPGA phenomenon and Open Source seem somewhat lost of them.  Kolla has shone a light on this.  And I have found the responses from guest11527 and his collaborators ..................well disappointing.  Kolla earned the title "troll" long before this thread but his questions are often on the minds of others including myself.  Kolla isn't wrong to push the question when developers give questionable/wrong answers. 

I have observed however there are some rules to not being labelled a "troll" and earmarked for expulsion by the absentee admins.

Ask difficult questions =>  You troll!
Want to know why device XY won't be supported anymore => You troll!
Want Amiga OS as an Open Source OS => You just want to open it up to more trolls.  You troll!
Want to know about OS3.2 development => Sorry, too many trolls.
Want to use AROS => You hippy.........troll!
Blindy accept the gospel according to Hyperion sanctioned devs => Acceptable.

The settlement is just step one in this sad story.  How/if developers and the community at large will accept this settlement will be almost as influential.
 

Offline utri007

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #333 on: March 18, 2020, 01:47:12 PM »
Ask difficult questions =>  You troll!
Want to know why device XY won't be supported anymore => You troll!
Want Amiga OS as an Open Source OS => You just want to open it up to more trolls.  You troll!
Want to know about OS3.2 development => Sorry, too many trolls.
Want to use AROS => You hippy.........troll!
Blindy accept the gospel according to Hyperion sanctioned devs => Acceptable.

No, this is right version :

Ask difficult questions 1000x and don't accept the answer =>  You troll!
Want to know why device XY won't be supported anymore, don't accept the answer and ask it again 1000x => You troll!
Want Amiga OS 3.1.4 as an Open Source OS and tell it 1000x. =>  You troll!
Want to use AROS , tell it OS3.1.4 discussion 1000x =>you troll!
Make this kind of accusations, "Blindy accept the gospel according to Hyperion sanctioned devs" => You troll!.
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A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 
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Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #334 on: March 18, 2020, 03:43:38 PM »

No, this is right version :

Ask difficult questions 1000x and don't accept the answer =>  You troll!

Accept what answers, Thomas just keeps jumping in to repeat that he is not a spokes person for Hyperion and cannot answer the questions - even when the questions were never meant for him, for whatever reasons he just decide that he _has_ to respond. It would be much more useful if someone from Hyperion could answer, but they are not even around on their own support site.

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Want to know why device XY won't be supported anymore, don't accept the answer and ask it again 1000x
And yet - the support was and is there - and Thomas even provided a new kernel modul
(though some of us already had figured out how to get that kickstart module)

What I want to know, is how come the developers of the OS are lacking so much hardware - would it really be so hard for Hyperion to sponsor a handful of machines for these poor guys? I know Cloanto have sponsored hardware for UAE developers, cannot Hyperion do the same?

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Want Amiga OS 3.1.4 as an Open Source OS and tell it 1000x.

You clearly misunderstood the discussion - Thomas is not arguing about just OS being open source or not, his rants are very often about open source in general, refers to how "this is untrue, just look at my githib" which only consists of software that is not his, and for which he has no choice than to follow the license of respective creators - ironically, development of OS 3.1.4 and now 3.2 rely on open source tools and frameworks.

Besides, some other "OS team memeber", Gulliver, has written quite clearly that AmigaOS _WILL_ be open source, because it is unavoidable, regardless of whether Hyperion or Cloanto ends up as owner. And because of that "AROS/68k is doomed".

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Want to use AROS , tell it OS3.1.4 discussion 1000x

The one who keep bringing up AROS was Thomas, that is is answer to anyone who are against signing NDAs with Hyperion, or who in general are not satisfied with how OS3 is going... "go away, go use AROS if you want sources!"

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Make this kind of accusations, "Blindy accept the gospel according to Hyperion sanctioned devs"

Then answer this truthfully - do you accept and fully adhere to the software license of OS3.1.4?
You know, that software license that Thomas hasn't even bothered to read?

Or do you keep backups?
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A1200/Blz1260/64MB
A1200/Blz1230III/32MB
A1200/ACA1221
A600/V600v2/Subway USB
A600/Apollo630/32MB
A600/A6095
CD32/SX32/32MB/Plipbox
CD32/TF328
A500/V500v2
A500/MTec520
CDTV
MiSTer, MiST, FleaFPGAs and original Minimig
Peg1, SAM440 and Mac minis with MorphOS
 

Offline ppcamiga1

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #335 on: March 18, 2020, 06:59:26 PM »
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would it really be so hard for Hyperion to sponsor a handful of machines for these poor guys

classic hardware are old most of them has 25 and more years, fragile, hard to get, very expensive with really insane prices.
So yes it is hard for Hyperion to provide it. It is ok.  It's understandable.
Developers use what they own.
You should understand this kolla and not made problems with it.
 
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Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #336 on: March 18, 2020, 10:03:46 PM »
You should understand this kolla and not made problems with it.

Why can they not arrange an agreement with their dear partner Trevor, who has a reputation of owning one of the larger amiga collections known to man, to borrow needed hardware?

Other developers manage - Terrible Fire, the Vampire team, Linux/68k developers, NetBSD developers... all of them have access to the very same hardware.

No, I really do not understand.

Should I put my hardware list in the signature too, for credibility? :)
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A4000/CS060/Mediator4000Di/Voodoo5/128MB
A1200/Blz1260/IndyAGA/192MB
A1200/Blz1260/64MB
A1200/Blz1230III/32MB
A1200/ACA1221
A600/V600v2/Subway USB
A600/Apollo630/32MB
A600/A6095
CD32/SX32/32MB/Plipbox
CD32/TF328
A500/V500v2
A500/MTec520
CDTV
MiSTer, MiST, FleaFPGAs and original Minimig
Peg1, SAM440 and Mac minis with MorphOS
 

Offline Louis Dias

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #337 on: March 20, 2020, 09:32:16 PM »
At this point I'm more worried about how the world's freedom has completely disappeared than what Hyperion is doing...
 

Offline ronniebeck

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #338 on: March 22, 2020, 04:49:08 PM »
No, this is right version :

Ask difficult questions 1000x and don't accept the answer =>  You troll!
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No no.  I had it right.  Really I did.  ;D

Quote from: ppcamiga1
classic hardware are old most of them has 25 and more years, fragile, hard to get, very expensive with really insane prices.
So yes it is hard for Hyperion to provide it. It is ok.  It's understandable.

Really? fragile and expensive?  If I recall correctly, the hardware in question was similar to (if not actually):

https://amigastore.eu/en/129-4xeide-99-interface.html

Brand new for 50€.  And there are plenty of Amigas around to be bought.  Look at ebay. An A500, A600, A1200, A2000 are easy to find.  A3000 and A4000 less so.  And people have even been producing brand new motherboards for A500, A1200, A3000 and A4000 using NOS chips and brand new components.  But somehow it was impossible to get hardware?  No, they were just to lazy, more likely.

So if we sum up:

- Seemingly, the developers of OS3.1.4/3.2 are unpaid
- Seemingly, the developers of OS3.1.4/3.2 have to supply their own hardware
- Seemingly, the developers of OS3.1.4/3.2 have lost touch with the Amiga community
- Seemingly, the developers of OS3.1.4/3.2 don't know the answer to technical questions
- And Hyperion is being sued.

<queue Benny Hill theme song>
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Offline ppcamiga1

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #339 on: March 23, 2020, 06:05:04 AM »
Some clowns that hate Hyperion are trolling as usually.
4000 E for A 4000 on Ebay is insane price.
Nobody reasonable will expect Hyperion to provide something like this for developers.



 
 
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Offline kolla

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #340 on: March 23, 2020, 07:26:49 AM »
4000 E for A 4000 on Ebay is insane price.
Nobody reasonable will expect Hyperion to provide something like this for developers.

Why can't Hyperion speak with their good friend Trevor about borrowing hardware from his famous warehouse sized collection?
http://obligement.free.fr/gfx/trevordickinson_amiga_collection_5.jpg

Btw - see that "A1200/A600 4X BUFFERED IDE INTERFACE" ad up here, with phony "registered trademarks" all over it on it, and with (in typical AmigaKit domain squatting fashion) a dysfunctional link pointing to 1&1 IONOS domain hosting? That is the kind of hardware that was in question - I have a small handful of these in a box here, as well a couple of splitting cables somewhere that I built myself (the documentation for how to build one are on Aminet), and they are also implemented on UAEs as well as some FPGA systems, like the MiSTer. I was about to send one to Thomas when he discovered in the sources that scsi.device since OS3.9 and 4.0 days already does support these splitters, when a dummy kickstart module with a certain name is in place. This worked well enough for the splitters I have, so I considered it a solved issue. Does it work for all such IDE splitters? Probably not, some vendors (like Elbox) also do much more on theirs (like splitting 4GB+ drives into several "virtual" 4GB drives), but these rely on replacing scsi.device with their own old crap anyways (like the Elbox ata3.driver's scsi.device version "50.-0"...) and are hence not really relevant - the point is that IDEFix97 is now pretty much redundant.
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A4000/CS060/Mediator4000Di/Voodoo5/128MB
A1200/Blz1260/IndyAGA/192MB
A1200/Blz1260/64MB
A1200/Blz1230III/32MB
A1200/ACA1221
A600/V600v2/Subway USB
A600/Apollo630/32MB
A600/A6095
CD32/SX32/32MB/Plipbox
CD32/TF328
A500/V500v2
A500/MTec520
CDTV
MiSTer, MiST, FleaFPGAs and original Minimig
Peg1, SAM440 and Mac minis with MorphOS
 

Offline ppcamiga1

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #341 on: March 23, 2020, 02:29:30 PM »
Borrow on what conditions?
Who will pay if this precious hardware will be damaged or lost in transport?
Hyperion treats some classic users better than they deserve.
If I were Hyperion owner I will be join with some hardware producer and made new cpu and graphics cards for classic
and made new os releases for classic only for hardware produced by me.
Instead Hyperion allows developers to work on what they own.

Offline OlafS3

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #342 on: March 23, 2020, 07:30:22 PM »
what hardware producer will cooperate with hyperion (one man company, two?) to make new hardware for classic market?
 

Offline digitalMedic

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #343 on: March 23, 2020, 08:26:50 PM »
Having read through this entire thread, I can say one thing.  Everyone has blame in this, Cloanto, Hyperion, etc., etc..  The only thing that will end up hurt after the dust settles is the end user and the Amiga.  News break for all the companies involved in this legal war, give it up.  No one is going to strike it rich on this platform.  While it has its good points, it lost its chance 25 years ago.  The primary people interested in it are the hobbyists, and we are not going to make you rich.  You will push us away though if you continue this fighting over scraps.  I also wanted to thank the devs who worked hard to bring us OS 3.1.4, regardless of who owns it at this point.  Thank you for your drive and passion to improve a piece of computer nostalgia that holds great memories for many of us.
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Offline F1Lupo

Re: "Hyperion and Cloanto allegedly close to finalizing settlement"
« Reply #344 on: March 24, 2020, 07:50:32 PM »
c'mon Cloanto & Hyperion..dammit I want to see SOMETHING posted 'else' on amiga.com  >:(
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