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Offline cdfr

Re: NO OS4 BEFORE END OF YEAR!!!
« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2003, 06:14:18 PM »
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Buddy, don't believe this rumour. I advice to keep away from such false rumour...ONLY listen to Amiga Inc, Eyetech and Hyperion. NO ONE ELSE!!!


The only problem is that this post came from Hyperion. Onevision is Ben Yoris, the Hyperion PR Manager.
You can check that here

And Ben is a very nice guy, very friendly and trustfull.
He has the courage to stand behind his opinions even if it hurts.
It is nice to see honest people voicing their opinion vs marketing lies.
 

Offline Philespin

Re: NO OS4 BEFORE END OF YEAR!!!
« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2003, 06:20:25 PM »
He's not the PR of Hyperion.  He resigns some months ago.  

Philespin
 

Offline zacman

Re: NO OS4 BEFORE END OF YEAR!!!
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2003, 06:22:56 PM »
>That is completely WRONG!

Sorry to say, but I guess Ben Yoris (ex PR Manager
of Hyperion) has a bit more insight-information than
you. So if something is coming from him it's not FUD
or anything.

But then Hyperion can just clarify this and say that
the OS4 launch is as announced in March 2003 at
CeBit.
 
 

Offline Seehund

Re: Simply wait and see WHEN OS4 will be released..
« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2003, 06:28:54 PM »
While this is a completely unsubstantiated rumour posted by an anonymous person, I have to say I got a good laugh from what you wrote, Helgis75. :)

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That is completely WRONG! Its already finalised ready for release...


According to who? You? Sorry, no offence intended, but that's as reliable a source as this "Ben" character. Hyperion still says "when it's ready". I know that McEwen said something ambiguous about CeBIT in March in that infamous Extremetech.com interview, but almost everything else he said in that was only "true for very small values of true."

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ONLY listen to Amiga Inc, Eyetech and Hyperion. NO ONE ELSE!!!


Make that "Hyperion, nobody else, including Helgis75, Seehund, PinkBunnyOfDeathAndDestruction, or whoever". ;)
The word is "When it's ready". Could just as well be next week as 2008.

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by judging the latest OS4-feature list, they seem to be finished.


LOL! No, the expression "feature list" should tell you that it's a list of things that will be implemented in the OS. Not a release schedule.

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Ben Herman said they were just closing in for release of the OS4...so i assume they must be finished..


I know that on the Yahoo AOS4 mailinglist, one of the Friedens (I'm sorry, I forgot who) said that OS4 was in betatesting, immediately followed with that it's not complete, which would mean that it can't be in betatesting (by any commonly used definition of that word). That was in late December IIRC. "Closing in for release" is about as precise as "when it's ready". The universe is "closing in" for its thermodynamic death as we speak, but nobody of us will ever experience it...


Anyway, can anyone confirm that this "Ben" is Ben Yoris (preferrably himself ;))? [EDIT: scratch that. It seems to have been confirmed as I was typing] Even if he's not directly involved in the development but follows it from the "close outside" so to speak, I'm sure he has at least an inkling of the progress.

Personally I'm trying to not keep any higher hopes than "when it's ready", and ignore all the vague hints. It's a good recipe to avoid disappointments.
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Offline jumpship

Re: NO OS4 BEFORE END OF YEAR!!!
« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2003, 06:30:23 PM »
It doesn't surprise me that this has happened. If Hyperion can't/won't give an actual release date then someone is bound to say this sort of thing (weather true or not).
 

Offline KennyR

Re: NO OS4 BEFORE END OF YEAR!!!
« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2003, 06:31:09 PM »
More FUD...YAWN. Wake me up when something interesting happens.
 

Offline Billsey

Re: NO OS4 BEFORE END OF YEAR!!!
« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2003, 06:31:12 PM »
I was wondering about that. Is it possible that the parting was less than amicable (sp?) leaving Ben Yoris somewhat disgruntled and seeking a little revenge?

I don't know Ben from Adam, so take that with an extremely tiny grain of salt, but it just looks possible to me. Those of you who know him better may feel free to enlighten me.
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Offline lempkee

Re: NO OS4 BEFORE END OF YEAR!!!
« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2003, 06:42:50 PM »
when i read this, my first impression is "FUD" , and i think that such posts as this should be on a personal/private mailing list :)
Whats up with all the hate!
 

Offline T_Bone

Re: NO OS4 BEFORE END OF YEAR!!!
« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2003, 06:43:44 PM »
> But then Hyperion can just clarify this and say that
> the OS4 launch is as announced in March 2003 at
> CeBit.

It would be nice if they addressed this, but I won't hold it against them if they confirm it's still a ways off. It's no small task porting an OS.

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Offline cdfr

Re: NO OS4 BEFORE END OF YEAR!!!
« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2003, 06:43:54 PM »
No, it is not a revenge.
Ben was just warning a small amount of French users about the fact that a new French Amigaone dealer was announcing OS4 for march.
He never thought that his answer would be spread around the net like that.

The only FUD I see here is the one coming from clueless people.
 

Offline Elektro

Re: NO OS4 BEFORE END OF YEAR!!!
« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2003, 07:02:23 PM »
Well if he posts smth. like that in a public forum i don't know how he expects it to stay there...
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Offline JoannaK

Re: NO OS4 BEFORE END OF YEAR!!!
« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2003, 07:04:16 PM »
Well.. I have no idea if this is true or not. Both cases fit quite well within what I have heard so it's possible to either way. Personally I expect to see a lot of explaining by the time of CeBit... Expecially if they don't have working product by  then.
 

Offline Targhan

Re: NO OS4 BEFORE END OF YEAR!!!
« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2003, 07:07:07 PM »

I don't know what to think of this thread.  It smells like FUD, but it's not as if Hyperion is going to step up to the plate and shoot it down either.

My guess is that the original quote was probably taken out of a discussion that was leading elsewhere.  I suspect that OS4 won't be really ready until late 2003, but Hyperion will likely release "usable betas" to A1 owners long before then.  You know there is a release, then there is a RELEASE.  Think "Voyager3.3" releases ;-)

Keep in mind that what I just said is pure speculation on my part, based on how things sometimes happen.  I'm not trying to propigate the FUD, but trying to put a questionable post into some context....


 :-?  :roll:  :-?  :-o  :-?
Regards,
Targhan
 

Offline samface

Re: NO OS4 BEFORE END OF YEAR!!!
« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2003, 07:33:25 PM »
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zacman wrote:
>That is completely WRONG!

Sorry to say, but I guess Ben Yoris (ex PR Manager
of Hyperion) has a bit more insight-information than
you. So if something is coming from him it's not FUD
or anything.


1. How do you know that it was Ben Yoris? How do you know this wasn't someone else claiming to be Ben Yoris?

2. Even if it is Ben Yoris, why isn't he an employee of Hyperion anymore? Was he fired? If so, why? Perhaps that could be a motive for not telling the truth?

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But then Hyperion can just clarify this and say that
the OS4 launch is as announced in March 2003 at
CeBit.
 


They got better stuff to do than clarifying rumours all the time. I've seen quite alot of Ben Hermans on ANN where he clarifies every single detail over and over, is this really what they should do instead of working? Well, I don't think so. Please just accept that this is just a rumour as long as it hasn't been confirmed.
\\"640k ought to be enough for anybody.\\" - Bill Gates, 1981
 

Offline MAD

Re: NO OS4 BEFORE END OF YEAR!!!
« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2003, 07:41:42 PM »
Hoya!

Hummmmmmmm... I don't know the truth for sure but if it is wrong, it would be fecking stupid spreading FUD like that.
If it is true... Well, we have been waiting for new stuff since... Neanderthal? ;-)

I for one can wait a bit longer anyway, for I don't have the money to buy something now. Of course, lots of people DO have the money...

Dunno what will happen... But if it is true, I hope Hyperion WILL make a public statement. Since they're doing a pretty neat job, I believe a vast majority of Amigans would understand...

Be funky

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