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Re: Hubble secret out!
« Reply #14 from previous page: July 02, 2004, 04:32:35 PM »
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At last count[?] there was 400 billion stars in this milky way galaxy...


I didn't realise there were so many...  How big is the Milky way, isn't it something like 100 million LY across?

If the human history of Earth is anything to go by, the existance of civilizations may be all too brief for a two way radio conversation with someone tens of hundreds of light years away.


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Re: Hubble secret out!
« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2004, 02:14:56 AM »
@PMC

"How big is the Milky way, isn't it something like 100 million LY across?"

No. Too many zero's. 100,000 light years is the right number.

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Re: Hubble secret out!
« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2004, 08:02:20 PM »
It's about 120,000 ly.
 

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Re: Hubble secret out!
« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2004, 01:17:55 AM »
Hum,
thats roughly
1150000000000000000000 meters wide

(give or take the fuzzy bits at the edge)

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Re: Hubble secret out!
« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2004, 03:25:38 AM »
If there were really as many civilisations around as some say, we'd have been in a dozen radio shells already and would know them. Things are always more boring in real life than they are in sci fi.

So we have to consider that, either no civilisations exist close enough for radio waves to ever reach us, or that they either disappeared too early or appeared too late for their radio shells to be detectable. Or that they never developed radio at all and don't want to.

Personally I'm not a fan of alien civilisation ideas, since they don't usually take into account the vast size of the universe and the vast number of difficulties and incredibly unlikely factors faced with not just with a star system being suitable for life, but suitable for long-term life and a civilisation. It's a near possibility. However, the universe is rather large, so near impossibilities would quickly become certainties...

I'd put the figure at maybe an alien civilisation every 12 galaxies, at a pessimistic guess. Which means we'll never, ever contact them using simple electromagnetic transmissions. Unless there is a more instantaneous way, they may not exist at all because we'll never detect each other. Which may actually be for the best. Evolving to survive and rule one planet was hard enough, how difficult would competing with 1000s of alien life forms be? :-P
 

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Re: Hubble secret out!
« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2004, 03:51:50 AM »
Hum,
i`ve  knocked up a page with an interactive  
Drake equation on it... ;)

R * Fp * Ne * Fl * Fi * Fc * L = N

a  few reasonable numbers maybe:

R =  10   (stars a year)
Fp = 20  


N = at least one ;)

The rest are ?

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Re: Hubble secret out!
« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2004, 02:39:49 PM »
Heh, I put in some numbers into that Drake equation and got:

5.99999999999994e-74

Not a big number. :)
 

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Re: Hubble secret out!
« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2004, 03:39:17 PM »
All this brings to mind Carl Sagan's 'Cosmos'.

His book/tv series must have been the most influential of it genre, spawning dozens like it since it was shown on UK tv in the 70s.

Sagan was considered an exceptional visionary and equally if not more influential than A C Clark. Sagan was convinced the universe is full of life and I have no doubt his spirit is with them all right now.

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