Reasons to avoid an Apple Mac

[HopperJF]

The entry level eMac is now only £467.
Go get a Mac ;-)

[drwho]

Dude, that was truly wonderful. :-D

[Vincent]

The swf was pretty funny, but the HopperJF/GadgetMaster conversations was funnier :-D

[HopperJF]

Vincent wrote:
The swf was pretty funny, but the HopperJF/GadgetMaster conversations was funnier :-D

Why thankyou!  :-)

[HotRod]

@Hyperspeed

Hello "Mr. I've seen an A500 once" ;-)

IE 3 sucks! Give IBrowse 2.3 a try. It's better in every way, it's faster (much faster), got support for tabs, a nice download manager, better javascript-support, lots of nice configuration possibilities and probably things that I've forgot to mention.

It's nicer than IE 4 even.

Netscape 4.x is another matter though. IBrowse are nicer than Netscape but Netscape has better support for "the webb standards". Much better support actually.

[blakespot]

Huh??

The Mac under OS X is far and away the most stable platform I have ever encountered!  Maybe he's talking about OS 8/9??  And I've used a few....  

Not so funny, really.  Was that supposed to be about Windows?



blakespot

[HopperJF]

True, but iBrowse 2.3 is a big improvement for Amiga browsers.
Still a long way to go.
Question is next version of iBrowse or AmiZilla.

[Waccoon]

"Then you push the power button and it won't turn off..."

Hehe, I've had that happen a lot.  The only way to turn it off is to pull out the power cord and watch a spark.  Software power switches suck.  At least an ATX power supply will shut off if you hold the button for 4 seconds.

Seriously, this only applies to the old MacOS, which everyone KNOWS is crap.  You haven't seen Mac Hell until you've tried using Quark Express on MacOS 8.1, even if it's the only app on the machine.  :-)

I'd like a full demo of MacOS X, but the demos they run in the stores are utter garbage that make the machines look slow as dirt.

Seriously though, every computer crashes once in a while

I've seen Linux crash a few times, and I even got QNX to crash.  My A1000/A1200 crashed all the time.  A particular favorite was the neverending requester, which you got with corrupted disks and hard drives, or if your printer wouldn't respond.  I actually tried canceling a print job 100+ times until I fially rebooted.  :-)

Few people know how many crashes are due to bad drivers, rather than the OS.  On a real, memory-protected OS, only the kernel and drivers will cause a full system crash, like the BSOD.  The Windows kernel is actully quite stable; drivers, GDI, and DirectX cause all the real trouble.

[HopperJF]

OSX is the best operating system available.

LINUX = too complex, not friendly enough. No professional software available. No standard hardware platform.

WINDOWS = buggy, prone to viruses, M$, monopoly

AMIGAOS = not here yet! (OS4).

MACOS = The best! Easy to use, pro apps, runs on specific well bulilt hardware,  great virus protection (whenever there actually is a virus), friendly, looks great. And hell, Macs are great for games these days too.

[Lando]

I had a nightmare with my iMac G4 once.  One minute it's working fine, the next it just stopped working.  I mean, OSX would boot up and just sit there on a blank desktop with no icons, no menus, no nothing.  You could move the mouse pointer around and that's it.

I decided to try and reinstall OSX.  However, it also refused to boot from CD/DVD - holding the C key didn't work, and the Superdrive didn't even show up in the boot menu.  I guessed maybe my OSX DVD was damaged or something so I went to the Apple Centre and spent £100 on a new copy of Jaguar.  Arrived home, and it was exactly the same!

After 2 days of calling Apple tech support, and typing commands in a shell, I was no further forward so I opened the mac up with a screwdriver and pulled the HD out.  It STILL wouldn't boot from CD.  By now I was cursing Apple and wishing I'd bought a PC (actually I could have bought 2 high spec PC's with the £1500 i spent on the Mac).

I eventually sent it off to Apple for repair, and it arrived back 3 days later with a note saying the HDD had been faulty!  This still doesn't explain why it point blank refused to boot from CD/DVD even with the HDD pulled out.

[GadgetMaster]

@Blakespot

Don't you remember the recent advertising campaign from apple called 'SWITCH'? See: http://www.apple.com/switch/

If so you will see that this is a parody of those adverts which were originally slamming Windows and extolling the virtues of Mac OS and were encouraging you to switch to the apple platform.

In this context the SWF is quite funny.

I think the 'Switch' campaign was launched before MacOS X was released if my memory serves me correctly.

OT:

Aargh! Blakespot...RE your vintage PDA collection... How could you do this to me...here I was thinking I am probably the only one left in the world that still owns an Amstrad Penpad. :lol:

[Waccoon]

OSX... MacOS

They're both the best?  :-?

Sorry, I was the sysadmin for a room full of "classic" Macs, and EVERYONE IN THE OFFICE DESPISED THEM.  The only reason we used them is because the university only allowed Macs in South campus offices.  All the "real" computers went to the computer scientists on North campus.

MacOS could fake multitasking, if you had enough memory to run more than one app at a time.  :-)

LINUX = too complex, not friendly enough. No professional software available. No standard hardware platform.

Agreed.  Few people still realize that Linux is not a complete OS, it's a kernel designed to be the foundation for an OS.  It was designed to be a low-cost UN*X clone geeks.  It succeeded.  End of story.

As a result, Linux will never be a real contender in the desktop market until GNU/XWindows is thrown out and replaced with something better designed for normal people.  Which will never happen.

WINDOWS = buggy, prone to viruses, M$, monopoly

Buggy: no way.  Get some good drivers and you'll never seen Win2000 crash.  With older nVidia drivers, my dad's XP box runs for weeks without crashing.  Just like MacOS, the stability of the system depends on what software you install.  Install AIM, MemTurbo, and any of the millions of IE toolbar extensions, and of course you system will collapse.  I repair other people's computers frequently, and if they're running XP, 99% of their problems are caused by things THEY installed on the machine, not the OS.

IE and DirectX... well, that's another story.  But, you can always just download Mozilla and run games built with OpenGL.  Problems solved.

Prone to viruses:  ActiveX and install on demand are rediculous technologies, but you still have to LET the virus on your computer.  Pay attention to pop-ups, and you'll rarely have a problem.

As for the monopoly, you've got me.  M$ has exclusivity contracts with the big vendors.  But, small vendors can certainly choose their OS, so long as they believe they can make money selling computers without a "big name" OS.

If Apple can sell non-Windows computers, anyone can.  The real problem is that PC vendors have no originality (just like Linux vendors).

AMIGAOS = not here yet! (OS4).

No, but OS3.1 was good enough for the hardware on which it ran.  68K didn't offer memory protection except in the high-end, so it's basicly the same as MacOS with multitasking.

[adolescent]

HopperJF wrote:
LINUX = too complex, not friendly enough. No professional software available. No standard hardware platform.

Too complex?  For a Mac user, possibly.  For anyone that has been around computers for a while it's not too difficult.  KDE is becoming very user friendly.  Normal users won't have to go into the shell at all.

No professional software?  Sure, there isn't as much as Mac or PC.  But there is plenty plenty of commercial software available.  Is Oracle available for MacOS?  Other than the software that is available, a lot of Windows software can be run on x86 Linux.  

No standard platform?  Umm, this isn't a bad thing.  Closed architecture is a bad thing.  I'd prefer to pick the pieces that I want in a system rather than have it decided for me.  Being stuck with a single company with limited model scope is severely limiting.

[kd7ota]

Personally, i really dont see why people think to see that WindowsXP is buggy or crashes? NEVER!  :-D Here is my machine now.

Asus A7n8x-x
256mb pc-2700
GeForce 4 ti-4200 128mb 4x AGP
SB Live! Value sound card
AMD Athlon XP 2800+

And no matter what I do or what I have it do, it has never ever locked up on me ever. Not a single crash that just completey freezes. Everything I throw on here it runs like a champion. And yes, ive seen OSX lock up whe it went to play some sounds. Not sure why, but it happened to do so. :-D


So personally, glad I own a PC instead of a macintosh. Cheap PC hardware and runs fast. PPC costs too much and not many programs for MACos... and 1 mouse button? HAHAHAHHA.  :-)

But seriously... MAC is definately a no-no choice for me.  :-D

Amiga roxxx the MAC world.

[Acill]

I just got me a brand new ibook today to go with my nice newly  upgraded Power Mac. I am happy to say I am 100% PC free and loving it. How anyone can like windows after using a Mac is way beyond me. the Pegasos is fun too of course!

[Hammer]

If Apple can sell non-Windows computers, anyone can.

Getting the product sold to customers is another issue.

 The real problem is that PC vendors have no originality (just like Linux vendors).

Note that commoditized hardware = "economic of scale".