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Was the Amiga ever the "rival" when you had...
« on: April 26, 2004, 10:07:59 PM »
...a Commodore 64/128 ??

Before I bought my A500, I had a C= 64c, dual floppy drives, FastLoad cartridge, LOTS of games.. True die-hard C64 fan.  I heard about the Amiga in a magazine but thought it was nothing compared to my trusty C64.  I really didnt understand what all this "Amiga" was capable of and pretty much said it sucked.  That was until my friend bought one...
Maybe I'm the only one that thought this way...

Btw, my C64c, dual floppy drives, 250 floppys (no original game disks..LOL), Avatex 1200 modem sold for $500 in '88. :-o

(link to the modem I had http://www.atarimagazines.com/v5n7/ProductReviews.html)

that thing was awesome (the modem) but I did get in trouble a few times w/my long distance phone bill.


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Re: Was the Amiga ever the "rival" when you had...
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2004, 10:41:05 PM »
Yes! Definitely! Back in the 80s and early 90s, to me Amiga users were distant, arrogant people who tended to have more money than sense. If they ever noticed C64s at all it was to make jokes like "Where do you put the coal in?" or "I'd buy one, but I got fed up of Pong in the 70s..."
 

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Re: Was the Amiga ever the "rival" when you had...
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2004, 10:49:26 PM »
No. Never. Amiga ruled and C64 was dying. It was clear that Amiga is the future (back then).
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Re: Was the Amiga ever the "rival" when you had...
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2004, 11:15:08 PM »
The first computer I ever owned was a Speccy +2 courtesy of my parents one christmas, so for the next three years anything Commodore was a rival machine.  

However, back in the late 80s / early 90s the Amiga was always something to aspire to.  I looked at Atari STs, Acorn Archimedes etc but they all had their downsides next to the Amiga....  

Fast forward to February 1990 when I finally got my sticky paws on my beloved A500 :-D
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Re: Was the Amiga ever the "rival" when you had...
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2004, 11:17:49 PM »
Nope. Amiga was an upgrade to the C64s, not a rival.
 

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Re: Was the Amiga ever the "rival" when you had...
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2004, 11:34:59 PM »
Hi,

@TheMagicM

The way I happened on the Amiga was my old IBM type died, so I was looking for a new computer, just so happened the Amiga just hit the market the day I was looking for an IBM compatible machine. The store salesman told me that in a couple of weeks that a software package called the transformer would be out and this would transform the Amiga into an IBM type machine so that I could make my Lotus 123 spreadsheets. So after listening to his speal on how much better the Amiga was going to be, I bought one. Now in another week (not 2) the transformer hit the market and I bought one, it worked great but slowly, I was able to program my Lotus 123 spreadsheets on the Amiga so I was quite happy, but on the other hand I thought the Amiga really sucked, I mean why did I have to type in format drive df0: name buffalo, where on the IBM type machine all I had to type in was format a: /s

Also why did I have to type in 4 characters verse 2 on the IBM for the disk drive (df0: a:) I mean the commands for the Amiga where not only complex but I was wearing my fingers out typing. How could a sorry OS like this ever compete with any other operating system, How could the person who made this think that this junk would sell? How could Peter Pan make pancakes?

Anyhow the Amiga had no rivals except for the old C64, and who cared about that, the C64 was just a game machine, the Amiga at least could do real work on the IBM side of the house (slowly), so was I happy with the Amiga yes and no, am I happy with the Amiga now, heck yes. After I mastered the commands of the OS the Amiga blew the IBM away, and it was fun to write programs in AmigaDos.

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Re: Was the Amiga ever the "rival" when you had...
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2004, 01:41:49 AM »
The amiga was the first "proper" computer I owned (I had a spectrum 48K a long time before that and even a zx81 before that), but there was a long gap when I wasn't remotely interested in computers. That ended forever when I got my own amiga ;-)

I didn't get a PC until about 2 years ago (despite having built countless ones for other people) and its far from being my "main machine".

So I guess the answer is "no" :-D
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Re: Was the Amiga ever the "rival" when you had...
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2004, 03:02:24 AM »
@smerf:  thats the same reason my friend bought his Amiga 1000 because of the "IBM" compatibility. hehe

I really didnt get too many C64 mags..once in a while my dad would buy me a LoadStar magazine or a Compute! Gazette..but I didnt really recall seeing a Amiga ad or anything.. just walked into Software Etc. and saw one playing the NewTek Digipaint Demo.  So I basically lived a sheltered life..if it wasnt for my hacker friend...lol I probably wouldnt have had a Amiga let alone a C64...
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Re: Was the Amiga ever the "rival" when you had...
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2004, 03:20:41 AM »
With me it wasn't so simple.

I was given an A500 manual when I was a kid, before I had a computer. I would read that manual almost every day and study it.

I was a big fan of the Amiga in the 80's, but I always wanted a Commodore 64. Eventually I (or my entire family, rather) recieved a C64.

I became a huge fan of the 64, and knowing what it could do with 64K of RAM, laughed at IBM-PC's and Amiga's that had 1 Meg.

I remember hating how slow a 16MHz Windows machine with 1M was, and I remember thinking of how much more practicle a C64 often was.

Without thinking about all of the extra data that the graphics and sampled audio required, I remember putting crap on the Amiga in the early 90's because a 64K machine could do everything the miggy could do in only 64k (CRAP), Amiga software was bloated - or atleast that's the way I started to see it before I owned an Amiga.

I do remember C64 mags always putting crap on the '16 bit' machines however.

When I bought my Amiga, I only wanted it for games, the 64 was going to be for programming.

Then I started to become interested in programming for the Amiga, and realised how much more powerful it really is.

Over all, the Amiga is better, but there are still some things I like about the 64(such as hacky 6502 hardware baning code ;).


 

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Re: Was the Amiga ever the "rival" when you had...
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2004, 05:52:36 AM »
Got my start with a Tandy 1000SX, and as I'd said before, it was hard to understand why people accused the PC clones of sucking.  Did have hell with a few games and Radio Shack expense/cluelessness at the time... but PCjr graphics + ISA expansion (not that Tandy would /tell/ you those were ISA slots) made it as reasonable as any other home computer of the day, and compatible with most of the IBM stuff floating around.

Got on the local C64 board, and people were going on in defense of Commodore.  Hnh, that cheap, and at least as good as the big expensive Tandy box that somehow got replaced with a PS/2?  Had a lot of fun running 64Term or whatever it was and playing with the graphics characters the PC didn't have... 40-column BBS screens centered in the 80-column view, of course.

When I finally met a C64, it was a disappointment.  Yes, good enough, and you could do some pretty magic things with it... but the BASIC 2.0 that so many of y'all learned on lacked basic convenience, and the whole 1541 speed issue... Oof.  I have great respect for all the people who could think ahead enough to put up with that daily!  If only the 64 ROM had come with the 'DOS wedge' built in...  (In retrospect, of course, the 128, having something like that functionality, would've been quite an admirable machine if anyone'd noticed.)

Then I met a friend's A500, and the Amiga, which had seemed outright mythical, if a bit debatable (along the lines of Xerox Stars, Atari STs, and all the other names-without-faces to a 'normal PC user' of the day... and the 8-bit crowd were still feeling that bit of passive-aggression, since the likes of GEOS 'could do that already'), proved to be everything the 8-bitters had sold the C64 as... plus actual multitasking... never once in a 'normal workflow' (for a BBS kid - running a terminal emulator, unpacking files, playing with some sort of enhanced 'say' he had a copy of, running an intro of some sort or other) did anything have to stop, shut down, or drop to a text mode... all running off those crazy new small floppies alone (heck, the 20-40MB drives in the home PC weren't helping allow anything like this!), in a machine the size of a keyboard, and if he did reboot to run a game, it autobooted and came right up... something PC games were still hit-and-miss on, given DOS licensing and all.  (Of course, now we know those games were  banging the hardware and making life hell for the NG efforts later, but at the time...)  All quite elegant, and I'm amused the sort of ideas we'd bat around ("Hey, what if you could doodle notes to yourself on the Workbench?") are the same thing people are fiddling with on the systems of today.  (Yep, everything has become "an Amiga," and with the same annoyances... Wrong Kickstart version, mismatched Linux kernel, broken DirectX?... same difference!)

Of course, then I detoured to OS/2, got the "Amiga-like" experience on PC faster than all the Windows kids (well, in exchange for 3 years of hardware-swapping, as it was the first PC I 'built' from scratch... that came down to secret idiocies in the VL-Bus space,* but I sure did learn a lot about sitting on hold), tried to direct some love to Linux but got bit by the state of its hardware support ~1999/2000, and found myself slid onto the same BSD platform that Amiga-using friend jumped ship to around '95.  (The friend in question hadn't lived with Windows 3.0, so he had less incentive not to dual-boot with what continued to become the 'standard'... and as such, he's long since gone on to become a productive member of society, while I'm back here beating the Amiga horse because I have my own form of sub-jwz-grade luck.  I think Fred is my only hope at this point, if I still want to pretend I'll ever find a tolerable career with this stuff...)

[Yeah, James,** if you stumble across this, I've been wallowing into everything you once found 'cool' years (too?) late... It's just by accident, I swear!]

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*QLogic vs. Opti, IIRC (some sort of issue that kept an otherwise nice QLogic FastSCSI from working with the then-modern VL bridge found on my Nx586; known-issue to QLogic once I figured out it was them and not the boardmaker), then Diamond or S3's idea of PnP being to hog an interrupt line or some address space that the Adaptec that replaced the QLogic couldn't be configured around. I  still can't bring myself to blame x86 PnP around that era, as it were individual manufacturers making a mess of it, but whew...

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So er, was Amiga ever "the enemy?"  Not in generalized PC-land, because people would have had to have heard of it to have an opinion.  But I did watch it begrudge the 8-bitters some, probably mostly because data-migration was not a (cheaply-)solved issue in those times.  The BBS wars revolved around the Mac and Amiga users baiting each other. ;)
 

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Re: Was the Amiga ever the "rival" when you had...
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2004, 10:20:32 AM »
Ahh... only very briefly. I saw an advert in a computer magazine for an "AMICA" (or thats what I thought it said ;), which would have been in 89/90, when I was around 10 or 11. Being immensly defensive of our families Acorn Electron (hey, my parents werent made of money, you know ;), I immediately decided that it must be crap. I think a couple of weeks later some friends at school were talking about this "Amiga" that one of them had got. I said "Nooo! Its Amica! and besides, its rubbish!" or words to that effect. They just laughed. Then, another guy at school got one, and I got my first look at an A500. Wow! I was blown away! I begged my parents for one, but they couldn't afford it, so they got me a refurbished C64 with 1541 disk drive and a joystick. Not being a spoilt brat, I was perfectly happy with that. In fact, the disk drive alone was a revelation after the old tape decks :) I got some really great games and started to learn to program on the C64, and swapped disks with some other C64 owning friends.

Fast forward to about 1992 or so, and most of the people at school have A500s. I decide I'm going to save up and get an Amiga. I scrimped and save my pocket money, and I got a weekend job helping out clearing up at a local outdoor market. Some time in 1993, I've saved up £200 or so, and for my birthday my parents make up the other £200 and I get my paws on a lovely new A1200! I was one of the first three in our school to get the new A1200... that was the best birthday present ever! And the rest, as they say, is history.
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