Daystar 68030/68882 50 mhz

[jjans]

Daystar

Figure these chips would work in an Amiga? I mean they are the same chips as Motorola (68k) are they not?

Be nice to through them into my A530T...

[Brian]

I would think they are motorola chips and "Daystar" is just the name of the product.

[KThunder]

hey
yes those chips will work perfectly.
i was going to get an old mac accelerator to stip no too long ago.

680x0 and 68ec0x0 chips should work with most stuff

i have a microbotics m1230xa that will use any 68030 or 68ec030 cpu and any fpu 68881 or 68882.

[jjans]

Thanks,

I really only require the FPU, as I don't think I can use the CPU. My A530 has a 68030E, that does not include some memory management instructions that are in a real 68030. My A530 has on board circuitry to replace the MMU functions not included with this CPU.

[jjans]

OK I won the chips, and am awaiting their arrival. The FPU will be no problem from what I understand. I did some digging around, and found I can disable the onboard circuitry for MMU, if the MC68E030 is replaced with a real MC68030. So far so good.

The original CPU is a 40MHZ. (5 volts)

The Daystar is 50 MHZ.       (also 5 volts).

Figure I'll fry anything if I try it?
Should I consider more cooling?
Is the performance increase worth the risk?

[Dan]

Brian wrote:
I would think they are motorola chips and "Daystar" is just the name of the product.

yes, Daystar was a acceleratorbrand for Mac, they also made really cool multiprocessor powermac-clones later 8-).

Another thing about mac-accelerators, watch out if you want to use parts from 040cards as mac-accelerators manufacturers for a brief period used the internal clockspeed to make it look better compared to pc. So a card advertised as 040-66Mhz or 040-50Mhz was really 040-33Mhz and 040-25Mhz.

[Dan]

jjans wrote:
OK I won the chips, and am awaiting their arrival. The FPU will be no problem from what I understand. I did some digging around, and found I can disable the onboard circuitry for MMU, if the MC68E030 is replaced with a real MC68030. So far so good.

The original CPU is a 40MHZ. (5 volts)

The Daystar is 50 MHZ.       (also 5 volts).

Figure I'll fry anything if I try it?
Should I consider more cooling?
Is the performance increase worth the risk?

Clockspeed is determined by a oscillator isn´t it?
So if you just replace the 030 the 50mhz 030 will just run at 40Mhz, if you want to run it at 50Mhz you will also have to swap the oscillator.
You can´t fry a processor by underclocking it. And as for cooling I only know one 030 accelerator that needed that, the A630 for the really cramped A600.
Running at 50Mhz depends on memspeed but is probably possible. I don´t think that it can damage anything, it just won´t boot up properly if it don´t works as cpu and mem gets out of sync.

So try the new 030 in the A530 and see if it runs at 40 or 50MHz. If you need to swap the oscillator to reach 50Mhz ask again as it probably invovles soldering, maybe one of the real overclockers can answer it.

[jjans]

[/quote]
Clockspeed is determined by a oscillator isn´t it?
So if you just replace the 030 the 50mhz 030 will just run at 40Mhz, if you want to run it at 50Mhz you will also have to swap the oscillator.

So try the new 030 in the A530 and see if it runs at 40 or 50MHz. If you need to swap the oscillator to reach 50Mhz ask again as it probably invovles soldering, maybe one of the real overclockers can answer it.[/quote]

I see. Thanks for the info! 40 MHZ is fine with me, but it would be nice to take advantage of all the original instructions included on a real MC680830.

[jjans]

jjans wrote:

Clockspeed is determined by a oscillator isn´t it?
So if you just replace the 030 the 50mhz 030 will just run at 40Mhz, if you want to run it at 50Mhz you will also have to swap the oscillator.

So try the new 030 in the A530 and see if it runs at 40 or 50MHz. If you need to swap the oscillator to reach 50Mhz ask again as it probably invovles soldering, maybe one of the real overclockers can answer it.[/quote]
[/quote]

I finally recieved the Daystar package today and I installed both the CPU and the FPU. They both work. The CPU benchmarked at 40 MHZ, and now I have MMU as well.

[Brian]

Just checked up on this and the GVP A530 also came in a 50Mhz flavour so I would think the controller is made to handle a 50Mhz oscillator just fine (if I'm not mistaking the RAM was pritty good on those cards and ran at 50 or 60ns). As your CPU is also made to run at 50Mhz it should be safe to try run it at 50Mhz. Just desolder the original oscillator and add a "oscillator holder" and try it at 50 or even 55Mhz... if it fails it's easy to change back to the original oscillator but I belive it should be just fine.

However I do belive a coolingplate of somesort, or better yet a fan on the side, would add to the CPU lifespan and happiness at higher speeds since the Harddrive is mounted right on top and will most likely add heat around the CPU.

[x56h34]

Just make sure that those Daystar CPU and FPU chips are socketed and not soldered onto the PCB.

[jjans]

Brian wrote:
As your CPU is also made to run at 50Mhz it should be safe to try run it at 50Mhz. Just desolder the original oscillator and add a "oscillator holder" and try it at 50 or even 55Mhz...

Interesting. I certainly see the improvement in performance using the FPU by means of a small test program calling 68881 that I wrote with SASC.  

I wonder how difficult it is to find a 50MHZ Oscillator w/holder these days? Do you think the improvement in performance of running at 50 MHZ would be noticeable, say during a compile?

Not that it matters, as now you have me hooked, and will not rest until I actually see for myself...

As for the PCB, the CPU and FPU's were indeed socketed.

Thanks for the input guys!

[Revener]

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