Theo de Raadt says Pegasos Bad

[Floid]

CodeSmith wrote:

About the licensing issues with BSD, I for one am not at all surprised.  If Bill Buck didn't want to license the AmigaOS, why would he want to license some Unix variant?  I think he's generally averse to licensing anything.

You don't have to license BSD.  You just have to get it written in the first place.

[Batman]

The OpenBSD-Genesi soap opera continues, here's the teaser:

[color=000099]I also didn't want to deal with a company that, in my mind, was instigating situations by their tactics with ShopIP. I have better things to do with my time than to sit there and deal with back and forth bickering, and a company who has their corporate officers post like mad on Amiga bulletin boards, whose "users" make Linux zealots look positively peaceful.[/color]

You can see the full episode here:

http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-misc&m=108027872117087&w=2

[Karlos]

Messy. Assuming the allegations are true, that is.

[cecilia]

I still think Genesi management is well-intentioned but just screws up badly on the details

the road to hell is paved with good intentions.  :cry:

It's simply unprofessional for any CEO to promise a salery and then lie about being able to deliver it.

This shabby treatment of employees shows a complete lack of respect. You simply do NOT leave people hanging, with no information. Then dick them with a promise of money which either bounces or is WAY smaller than the time and work you did. I mean, there doesn't even appear to be any apology!

I'm totally revolted.

[Karlos]

I still think Genesi management is well-intentioned but just screws up badly on the details

How ironic :-|

Once upon a time (during the worst flaming) I suggested that Amiga Inc. seemed to me to be well intentioned but simply crap at management. Several people of the Genesi persuasion brushed that notion aside as a bit of BAF behaviour and hammered home what a bunch of crooks they really are.

Seems what goes around comes around. Pity it's rarely anything good :-(

[BADHead]

ahh well here go again more infighting
and slagging off.I can only read and laugh
 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  8-)  8-)  8-)

[Skyraker]

"There were also sabotage attempts made on the CrunchBox itself,including a logic bomb within the code, and a concerted reverse-engineering attempt on the Pegasos-based Crunchbox.Both of these were discovered and combated against by John Johnson and the rest
of the ShopIP team."


Reverse engineering by Genesi? Surely not!

[Karlos]

BADHead wrote:
ahh well here go again more infighting
and slagging off.I can only read and laugh
 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  8-)  8-)  8-)

Yeah. I'm waiting for the BGF labelling to start :lol:

Seriously though, having read further down the thread (I just saw the thing cecilia quoted when I posted), I saw DaveP pretty much said the same thing, but I have to agree that I hope we don't see a new round of flaming etc., no matter how irresistable some may find the opportunity*




*gary_c - Jumping straight on the defensive and taking a shot at the "other side" over the whole kmos thing before anybody even makes a remark, probably isn't the best way to avoid this, your'e just giving them more of an excuse...

[falemagn]

For example, Fabio is a pain in the ass to have a discussion with (being very "stubborn and independent"),

Well, I guess I'm becoming famous, this is the 2nd time I get mentioned in a thread I have no relation with. :-P

Jokes apart, I respect your view of my personality, but it sounds more like a compliment to me than something with a negative spin. I mean, would it be better if I were easily moldable in whatever shape one wanted?

However, just out of curiosity, it would be interesting to know what do you mean by "independent".

[Floid]

Hey, lookit, you kids made DaemonNews!



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[Bobsonsirjonny]

I'm showing restraint by refusing to comment on this... It'll only wind me up.

[restore2003]

You may kick me for this, but i think the pegasos/Morphos has destroyed the the rest of the community that was left  :-(

And dont say that im wrong, you know it`s true.....

Just think about it, all this effort by some to split up the community just to promote some selfish issues, all this rumour spreading on ann.lu and moobunny, its just stupidity...

I am not against MorphOs at all, believe me, i was rather positive when it arrived, but some of it`s "fans" have done in great lenght all they can to post crap against everyone who have a constructive opinion of OS4  :-(

And how can they speak dirt about Garry Hare when they dont know the person, and dont know his history? Why not give the man a chance? Its that sort of things that make the Amiga brand a doomed product to begin with!
 :-x

[takemehomegrandma]

restore2003 wrote:
You may kick me for this, but i think the pegasos/Morphos has destroyed the the rest of the community that was left  :-(

Please don't make this thread about "who threw the first stone". IMHO, you would not win such an argument. So let's not argue?

[Argo]

@restore2003

  Yup, it would have been nice if both companies had just stuck to developing their respective products and tried marketing them to their customers on the merits of the software and hardware.

[itix]

@Restore: There are jerks on both sides.

[KennyR]

Restore2003 wrote:
You may kick me for this, but i think the pegasos/Morphos has destroyed the the rest of the community that was left

You are wrong. If it wasn't Pegasos, it would be UAE or AROS or Amithlon or Linux or Windows or Mac. MorphOS isn't the cause of the destruction of the community, just a symptom. That's what happens when you don't supply the hardware or software people want, and that's why the possible OS4 userbase has now shrunk to a tiny size. Not Pegasos. If AInc had done their job properly no-one would even care about it.

That's what life is like. If you fart around and don't do what you're supposed to, someone else will. Tough luck.