Why did Amiga Inc announce this?

[Morley]

Well, if it's one thing that'll make me never by an AOne or OS4.0, it's this soap-opera. Linux vs. SCO is not complex at all compared to this.. :pissed:

[takemehomegrandma]

@ Morley

This fundamental change in structures might change things. Perhaps Garry Hare will be seeking to tear down any "Berlin Walls" and find constructive cooperations that might benefit all involved companies in the community? A guy with the signature "Garry Hare" keeps making posts on ann (they are all deleted on sight though) that says something like "Great news! After OS4 is running on the AmigaOne it will be ported to PegasosII". Probably an impersonation, but one never knows? KMOS is pretty unknown, and "Garry Hare" has probably not had the time to get a "trusted user" account yet (if that is what he wants, and if the real Garry even know that ann.lu exists). Perhpas further legal efforts from Genesi's side won't be necessary? Well, it depends on many things I guess, like Garry Hare and other KMOS peoples "business sense", BBRV's intentions with the legal actions, and such. I guess we will see ...

A lot of speculation from my side here. But this is fun IMO, I think this whole mess has been very amusing to follow! Something is happening on an otherwise slow day! :-)

[bloodline]

itix wrote:
Let me ask:

Why Hyperion was spreading AmigaOS beta with false copyright information?

Hyperion knew AmigaOS was sold for KMOS but copyright information in AmigaOS beta has been incorrect over a year.

Yes, but slightly more interesting is the rubbish that Fleecy has been spewing for the past year...

His "team are working on OS4"... why would they work on a product that have nothing to do with?

[itix]

This KMOS contract could be very well faked.

[Morley]

@TMHG

Well, development is always funny, as someone else stated on this forum, we just need a murder to make a good movie :lol:

But I just can't see why A.Inc. has refused to make OS4 run on Pegasos...more sales=more money in the real world. IMHO it's not much difference between the Pegasos and the AOne, they share the same northbridge, or? AFAIK it's just a matter of having the right firmware on the Pegasos boad. But I'm on thin ice when it comes to Pegasos specs. I thought it was build after "zico"-specifications?

[bloodline]

Morley wrote:
@TMHG

Well, development is always funny, as someone else stated on this forum, we just need a murder to make a good movie :lol:

But I just can't see why A.Inc. has refused to make OS4 run on Pegasos...more sales=more money in the real world. IMHO it's not much difference between the Pegasos and the AOne, they share the same northbridge, or? AFAIK it's just a matter of having the right firmware on the Pegasos boad. But I'm on thin ice when it comes to Pegasos specs. I thought it was build after "zico"-specifications?

The problem is that Eyetech went for U-Boot firmware, and Hyperion followed.

Persoanally I would have gone for Opern Firmware, but then I'm not trying to give people a reason to buy a very expensive motherboard.

[angrybrit]

T_Bone wrote:
I mean, it's been a year since this has happened, so why now? Why did they decide that now was the time to go public with this secret?

Maybe because Amiga Inc/VC realise that there is a good possibility that BBRV will be able to get what he wants and have AOS4 available for the Pegasos? :-?

[Floid]

itix wrote:
Let me ask:

Why Hyperion was spreading AmigaOS beta with false copyright information?

Under US law, at least, there's no requirement to display a copyright notice at all (work is automatically copyrighted at the moment of creation; licenses 'patch around' the default protections of copyright), and so the notice itself is nothing special, just a way to give yourself some credit and warn would-be pirates away from your work.  No idea how Germany, Benelux(?), or the EU works.

[takemehomegrandma]

Morley wrote:
@TMHG

Well, development is always funny, as someone else stated on this forum, we just need a murder to make a good movie :lol:

But I just can't see why A.Inc. has refused to make OS4 run on Pegasos...more sales=more money in the real world. IMHO it's not much difference between the Pegasos and the AOne, they share the same northbridge, or? AFAIK it's just a matter of having the right firmware on the Pegasos boad. But I'm on thin ice when it comes to Pegasos specs. I thought it was build after "zico"-specifications?

A port from Teron/A1 to Pegasos1 could probably be done in a sunday afternoon. Porting it to Pegasos II would take a little longer, but it's sure won't be a big effort. IMO the real problem was more on a personal level at Amiga Inc, but now when Fleecy and McEwen is out of the picture, perhaps things can get back to "normal" (pre-Amiga Inc) and the community can once again join forces against the "outside world", and grow there, instead of the destructive domestic fighting? We'll see what happens, but one can hope at least! :-)

[angrybrit]

Morley wrote:
But I just can't see why A.Inc. has refused to make OS4 run on Pegasos...more sales=more money in the real world. IMHO it's not much difference between the Pegasos and the AOne, they share the same northbridge, or? AFAIK it's just a matter of having the right firmware on the Pegasos boad. But I'm on thin ice when it comes to Pegasos specs. I thought it was build after "zico"-specifications?

That's because it would interfere with Eyetech.  AmigaOnes are more expensive than faster Pegasus mobos.  Guess which one would Amigans chose? :-(

[itix]

Now shall I ask why Hyperion is not credit where credit is due?

Anyway, it doesnt matter.

It is remarkable that Hyperion and KMOS are helping Amiga Inc in their court case. Why? Because Amiga Inc and KMOS are same entity.

[takemehomegrandma]

Floid wrote:

itix wrote:
Let me ask:

Why Hyperion was spreading AmigaOS beta with false copyright information?

Under US law, at least, there's no requirement to display a copyright notice at all (work is automatically copyrighted at the moment of creation; licenses 'patch around' the default protections of copyright), and so the notice itself is nothing special, just a way to give yourself some credit and warn would-be pirates away from your work.  No idea how Germany, Benelux(?), or the EU works.

I'd say that copyright laws are pretty much similar everywhere in the world (at least in the western world). It's part of bigger global trade agreements. In practice, the contents of the copyright laws are set in the USA and then the rest of the world follows. And you are right, the copyright notice has no legal bearing, it's only a notice about who claims the right. You can release something without the copyright notice, and you will still have the copyright. It goes the other way around too, a copyright notice on something that is not covered by the copyright laws is worthless and meaningless.

[restore2003]

@everyone:

What is wrong with you people :-?
Conspiracy theories? Fake annoucements? Stop watching all those series on tv!  :-P

And btw. its always nice to have some facts backed up behind your stories  :lol:

[Morley]

@restore2003

Well, Amiga inc. are not exactly known to keep their words, are they? I see them as some pre-dot.com crack desperados who are trying to pull their lies as far as possible. Who has ever seen AmigaDE run anything on anything useful? The IP value is in OS4, not much, but some income will be generated when OS4 fianlly starts shipping, so it's pretty obvious what's going on.
Just because a company holds the rights to the Amiga name doesn't make them the holy, good guys. And they obviously aren't either.

[takemehomegrandma]

itix wrote:
Now shall I ask why Hyperion is not credit where credit is due?

Anyway, it doesnt matter.

It is remarkable that Hyperion and KMOS are helping Amiga Inc in their court case. Why? Because Amiga Inc and KMOS are same entity.

The court case is AFAIK closed. This is not a new case, but Genesi filed a motion to "refine" the ruling to in some way include the OS4 too. They have "joined forces" (as you put it) because they wanted to send in an answer to this motion since the case (and any modifications of the ruling) concerns things they all have interest in.

I am mostly curious about seeing Ray A Akey's name on the documents, as he would be one of the managers or "owners" involved. Is he? :-?

Well, it will be interesting to see how things will develop the coming days/weeks. Perhaps it will be possible to reach agreements without "legal force" now? Or perhaps the "battle" will continue, but in another way?

/me hopes for peace though, and fruitful cooperation between all involved. It might all be up to "KMOS" ...

[lempkee]

morley: i got an PDA here with AMIGADE on it , and 20+ games on it , all amiga.inc's ..

whats your point?


remeber guys , the story bbrv told all was "NEW AMIGA CEO GARY HARE"  , now is he that now? , who told u that if so?

time to give me the stuff i didnt read in the announcements.

amiga ROXX and so does os4!