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Offline Minuous

Re: Hyperion vs Cloanto
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2018, 05:42:37 PM »
@kolla:

Well, Cloanto have no development costs, as they don't write the software they are selling. So it is hardly surprising if they are more profitable. Cloanto leaving the market would make no real difference as they haven't done any significant Amiga development for over 20 years, and I have seen nothing to indicate that any is intended.
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Re: Hyperion vs Cloanto
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2018, 07:45:18 AM »
@magnetic:
... if they lost it would be disastrous for the Amiga community, most likely the end of any further development of AmigaOS.

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Offline F0LLETT

Re: Hyperion vs Cloanto
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2018, 11:44:23 AM »
@kolla:Well, Cloanto have no development costs, as they don't write the software they are selling.

Neither does Hyperion.
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Offline NinjaCyborg

Re: Hyperion vs Cloanto
« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2018, 09:23:53 PM »
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Offline Amiwest

Re: Hyperion vs Cloanto
« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2018, 10:13:34 PM »
I have seen posted the Hyperion 3.1.4 improvement but not the Cloanto 3.x.
Any one know what the Cloanto 3.x fixes are?
Yes this is part of Hyperion vs Cloanto so I posted here.
 

Offline Pgovotsos

Re: Hyperion vs Cloanto
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2018, 03:10:31 AM »
I have seen posted the Hyperion 3.1.4 improvement but not the Cloanto 3.x.
Any one know what the Cloanto 3.x fixes are?
Yes this is part of Hyperion vs Cloanto so I posted here.

https://www.amigaforever.com/kb/16-125
 

Offline kolla

Re: Hyperion vs Cloanto
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2018, 06:26:45 AM »
I have seen posted the Hyperion 3.1.4 improvement

Have you really? So far, only a small fraction of the improvements have been "leaked", the real changelogs are kept internal, because that is how closed source AmigaOS development rolls - end-users only get dumbed down info on a need to know basis.
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Offline NinjaCyborg

Re: Hyperion vs Cloanto
« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2018, 08:08:15 AM »
@kolla shut up

Offline Everblue

Re: Hyperion vs Cloanto
« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2018, 05:08:24 PM »
I think that if Hyperion packed up A-EON would be ruined. I wonder how come A-EON haven't bought Hyperion (yet?)
 

Offline yssing

Re: Hyperion vs Cloanto
« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2018, 07:18:53 PM »
If Hyperion wins, Cloanto will most lilely throw their hands up and leave the Amiga. Instead Hyperion will get all rights to everything Amiga and take it all with them to the grave. Cloanto at least shown that they can stay in business doing Amiga stuff, Hyperion do exactly nothing to stay alive as a business.
So AmigaOS4 and the new 3.1.4 are both nothing?  Well that's like your opinion.
 

Offline BozzerBigD

Re: Hyperion vs Cloanto
« Reply #25 on: November 13, 2018, 01:05:20 AM »
@yssing

They are not nothing but they don't seem to create enough revenue to keep Hyperion afloat with their current cash flow / debts.

Cloanto however DO seem able to make a living as shrewd (if unexciting) stewards / collectors / repackaging merchants of Amiga IP. They operate like careful guardians but also watch the bottom line.

Hyperion are beginning to resemble Amiga Inc. / Itec in that they need investor infusions every few years to stay afloat / to fund legal costs i.e. do stuff that actually isn't about core Amiga work / development at all!
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Offline Steino

Re: Hyperion vs Amiga
« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2018, 04:23:19 AM »
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Cloanto have no development costs, as they don't write the software they are selling.

If you mean Amiga Forever, maybe you are not familiar with it: "The active code base now consists of more than half a million lines written by Cloanto, in addition to OS components and independent open source modules of which Cloanto too is a grateful and active contributor." (Source: https://www.amigaforever.com/news-events/af-7/)

Just to understand your motives, you are the same person in Australia who accused Cloanto of shutting down a piracy server of yours many years ago, when it wasn't even them who did it (it turned out it was Jan from AmiKit)? That must have been quite embarrassing.

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I have seen nothing to indicate that any [Amiga development] is intended.

According to this report, Cloanto tried engaging in some new 68K OS work "with Olaf Barthel and other Amiga developers", but Hyperion cut the ground from under their feet:

https://t.co/rOzi8OtMuL
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Offline kolla

Re: Hyperion vs Amiga
« Reply #27 on: November 13, 2018, 07:11:46 AM »
Just to understand your motives, you are the same person in Australia who accused Cloanto of shutting down a piracy server of yours many years ago, when it wasn't even them who did it (it turned out it was Jan from AmiKit)? That must have been quite embarrassing.

No, this is the person who maintain and distribute BoingBag 3+4 with everyone's agreement, and who have signed NDA with AEON. So a totally different person, and not this renegade you describe :)
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Offline Thomas Richter

Re: Hyperion vs Amiga
« Reply #28 on: November 13, 2018, 08:28:07 AM »
Cloanto wouldn't have had the possibilities to create 3.1.4 as we have it now. This is a matter of who contributed, and where such contributions went. I did not rewrite things from scratch (at least, for the most part), but we tried to reuse existing work available under licence as much as we could. A new scsi.device (derived from Heinz' work and others) would not have been possible. A new FFS would not have been possible in this time. New exec would have been largely delayed.

Moving to another hosting company would have required/will require additional negotiations with individuals, so it is certainly not correct saying that "Hyperion prevented that from happening". The overall situation for Os development is not in favour for Cloanto given where current contributions are bundled and how one can get access to it.
 

Offline SpeedGeek

Re: Hyperion vs Cloanto
« Reply #29 on: November 13, 2018, 02:48:45 PM »
Cloanto may not have been able to develop 3.1.4 but they certainly would have been able to distribute it (with legal trademarks). On the hand, Hyperion's inability to distribute 3.1.4 (with legal trademarks) suggest a common sense collaboration between the two companies. But of course, this is not possible due to the greed and dishonesty of Hyperion's management.

As far as the 3.1.4 hosting for digital download issue, Hyperion blindly filed a lawsuit against the Amiga parties and without any serious consideration of the consequences of their actions. So to say Hyperion is in no way responsible, is not correct either.             
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