To Vampire or not

[Iggy]

The one consistent claim you keep hearing repeated is what this will do "soon".

But they have implemented new instructions that almost nothing supports!

Hey, the excuses about not promising a compatible MMU (which an '040 or above cpu should have) don't make up for the lack of a floating point unit.

So cut the BS. This crap IS Natami style cultish at times.

[Acill]

The one consistent claim you keep hearing repeated is what this will do "soon".

But they have implemented new instructions that almost nothing supports!

Hey, the excuses about not promising a compatible MMU (which an '040 or above cpu should have) don't make up for the lack of a floating point unit.

So cut the BS. This crap IS Natami style cultish at times.

Well, the main dev for the core is the Natami dev so that makes sense.

[Crom00]

I have a couple of Vampires, they are good with productivity as long as you don't need an FPU. Continuous work on the core offers a good deal of compatibility with WHDLOAD games. The integer performance of the 68080 outlcasses any Amiga FPU option. So if possible run the integer version.

They are continuously updating the core... I can tell you that they are on it every day.
With all the other amenities you get (HDMI, Faster IDE, SD card slot with network capability) you simply can't find a better value even if there isn't an FPU. It is my understanding they want to improve the 68080 as it's the Central Processor, the brains of the system and has greater priority then do FPU work. They are also doing other things related to Amiga hardware components related to display hardware.

If you want max compatibility or "real" hardware check on Amibay for a good 040 / 060 card and a picasso card and a flicker fixer.

Vampire is a long term project but at least the CPU "hardware" upgrades consist of a "free core software download" instead of a trip to EBAY / Amibay.

[Crom00]

So cut the BS. This crap IS Natami style cultish at times.

hahahah I loved the Natami!

[Iggy]

hahahah I loved the Natami!

Well, it occupied a lot of people's imaginations anyway.

Odd that the fpu for the cpu core of this STILL isn't done, and we're still seeing feature creep, but...its a hobbyist project so wtf.

[IanP]

The one consistent claim you keep hearing repeated is what this will do "soon".

But they have implemented new instructions that almost nothing supports!

Hey, the excuses about not promising a compatible MMU (which an '040 or above cpu should have) don't make up for the lack of a floating point unit.

So cut the BS. This crap IS Natami style cultish at times.

It's not as tedious as the constant cultish demands for an FPU.

[kolla]

The integer performance of the 68080 outlcasses any Amiga FPU option..

You know that this makes no sense? :)Anyhow, "any Amiga FPU option" also includes PowerPC cards, and they run in circles around 68EC080. The showcase for the apollo core superiority is Riva, and anyone who are used to offloading mpeg decoding to either dedicated hardware or to PowerPC, it is rather unimpressive.

[kolla]

It's not as tedious as the constant cultish demands for an FPU.

Is it cultish to expect "the most compatible 68k processor ever" to actually be compatible with a large chunk of the most important productivity software for the platform? Especaially since it has been touted as the most insanely impressive piece of PFU ever, since what... 3 years ago?Anyhow - my advice for anyone is to buy the Vampire, and then weigh in with your oppinion about where the core, and really the 68k Amiga platform, should go feature wise.

[punkyclown]

Yeah, your Aces if you an 060... Elitist...

[johnklos]

Yeah, your Aces if you an 060... Elitist...

Considering that a 33 MHz m68040's floating point is unambiguously faster than the floating point of an 800 MHz ARM doing floating point in software, I'd say that software-based floating point isn't all that desirable.

Here's the latest on the Apollo FPU:

http://www.apollo-core.com/knowledge.php?b=4¬e=5931&z=A6zfyz

[Iggy]

It's not as tedious as the constant cultish demands for an FPU.

That is particularly inane, even from an Amiga fanatic.
The cpu has been given the designation 68080, but doesn't have features that the '040 and '060 have standard.
Speed without compatibility?
Without a feature I can tack on to an '020 or '030 system easily?

Its remarkably underwhelming.

[Niding]

That is particularly inane, even from an Amiga fanatic.
The cpu has been given the designation 68080, but doesn't have features that the '040 and '060 have standard.
Speed without compatibility?
Without a feature I can tack on to an '020 or '030 system easily?

Its remarkably underwhelming.

I think the word you are looking for is" Work in Progress". I do wonder if all the negativity in general is why most developers still active on the amiga scene refrain from posting on forums.

Niding/Overflow

[Iggy]

I think the word you are looking for is" Work in Progress". I do wonder if all the negativity in general is why most developers still active on the amiga scene refrain from posting on forums.

Niding/Overflow

My apologies if it seems negative, but how long has Gunnar been working on a cpu core? And I'd mention that the fpu STILL isn't done, but it IS redundant.

Also like I said, its a hobbyist project, so the timetable isn't vital.

Further, negativity comes to us naturally, after the number of set  backs and disappointments we've all endured.
The fact the we still persist, just proves how stubborn we all are. ;-)

[curtis]

And the hijacking of the topic is now complete!

[Niding]

I suggest you join Apollo-Team IRC channel and ask questions there;

irc.freenode.org

Port; 6667

#apollo-team

Or webbased IRC

http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=apollo-team

OR ask on their forums;

http://www.apollo-core.com/knowledge.php

http://forum.apollo-accelerators.com/

[Iggy]

And the hijacking of the topic is now complete!

Considering that the originator of the thread has already announced his intention to delay purchasing the "work in progress", you fan boys can all go home now.