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I bloody well knew it - Brian Bagnell wants yet more time and more money for the 'Commodore The Amiga Years' book. I feel that enough is enough. I want the book I paid up front for. If he he wants to follow it with an extended 20 volume extraveganza then fine, but give me the book I paid for - NOW!!!

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Lol.  I noticed the email in my inbox, didn't even have time to read it.  Thanks for the summary!  :lol:
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Offline arttu80

I too had mixed feelings about this announcement. But as I'm a huge fan of his first book and Christmas preview we had, I must say I just live on and hope live long enough to read it all! ;)
 

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I am absolutely rock bottom skint, so now it would seem as if I will only get 'Commodore - The Amiga first 26 months'. Is that what I paid for, I think not. Kickstarter need to tighten up on things like this. I knew he was heading for this. I just bloody well knew it.... :(
« Last Edit: May 10, 2017, 07:56:48 PM by BuBBoB »
 

Offline arttu80

Yea, you're quite right with this, but It's obvious it will be more expensive to print out 1200+ pages compared to original estimate of 700 or so.
 So as someone said, he's only human and he couldn't predict this historical subject would have so much more to tell us about. I'm sure Bagnall will deliver most entertaining history reading of all. Even if we have to "contribute" a little extra waiting time and money.
 I think cutting out lots of material would make for incomplete reading and it certainly will be worth waiting in retrospect.
 

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In his mail he also mentioned this:

"Backers would also receive the third eBook, The Final Years"
I'm also having mixed feelings about this, not sure yet.
 

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I rather have multiple books and have a more indepth experiance in this subject then a cut down version in a single book to be honest, tho it's no fun waiting for the last part and what happens if the last part don't get funded...
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Exactly, I want what I paid for now. If it needs a revised, improved, deluxe or whatever you want to call it edition so be it, but after the original promise is kept. It's a bit like;

Salesman Bagnell: 'Sir, you know that car you have on order I'm sorry to say that we cannot supply it to the original specification you ordered but we can get it with a V8 and metallic paint".

Me: "Sounds great, when can I have it delivered?"

Salesman Bagnall: "Well if you could just wait another unspecified amount of time and pay an extra unspecified amount of money I will have it to you asap"

Me: "But what am I going to do for transport, you promised me my car before christmas and then early in 2017?"

Salesman Bagnell: "Don't worry, it will be such an improvement you wont regret waiting"

Me: "But I need my car I ordered"

Salesman Bagnell: "Oh, by the way, you will need a double garage for the second car"

Me: "Ahhhhggghhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!"
 

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Could anybody post the content of the mail here (or mail it to me, if you don't want to post it)? I'd like to make a news item for amiga-news.de about it, but I need some more information than what's been posted.

Thanks.
 

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I didn't get an email, I went to the kickstarter site to find out the latest news and there it was.
 

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I Need Your Feedback


Posted by Brian Bagnall (Creator)



When typing last week’s Kickstarter update, something jumped out at me. The first book, Commodore: A Company on the Edge, dealt with basically 4 computers and comfortably fit into 540 pages. This book, The Amiga Years, deals with around 14 computers and 3 major unreleased computers. The entire story encompasses a longer time-frame. Other topics come along for the ride too, such as new chips, side-projects (genlock, scanners, Q-Link, Habitat, Geos, C64 mouse) and the people involved with these projects. This has naturally resulted in a book that is much less comfortable at 540 pages.
One thing began to worry me: this is going to hurt the quality of the book if I try cutting it down. There was a time when I thought the book would end up at around 700 pages, and cutting 200 pages was possible. Right now the book is over 1030 pages and growing. If I go forward with the plan of cutting from 1030 to 540, it will adversely affect the quality. Editing it down will also take a long time, resulting in a greater delay for backers.
My expectations have been changing since this project began. I started out thinking it would be a relatively small job to cover the Amiga Years, but as the research continued, the full scope of the story became apparent. The fact is, I’ve written two books worth of material since this project began! You guys can be the judge, having seen the first part of the book, but I don’t think I overwrote. I’ve tried to keep the writing pretty tight and minimal. This issue has slowly snuck up on me to the point where things have come to a head and it’s time to address this head on.

A New Plan
You've probably guessed by now that I'm considering a new plan. Before making any decision, this idea needs to go past you, the backers:
• I'm considering separating the current manuscript into two books: The Amiga Years and The Final Years
• The Amiga Years would start at the formation of HiToro/Amiga in 1982 and end when the Amiga offices in Los Gatos are shut down in March 1987
• Backers would receive The Amiga Years eBook ASAP. This includes around 2 years of never before seen material (compared to the preview released before Christmas) because the book goes to 1987 instead of 1985.
• The Amiga Years could go into layout once the final corrections are made, followed by printing.
• Backers would also receive the third eBook, The Final Years
• To finance the printing of The Final Years, another Kickstarter could be held later.
As much as I’ve resisted making this story into three books, it seems like that’s what the Commodore story requires. The meaning behind titles is often nebulous, and "The Amiga Years" referred to the period in time when Commodore produced Amiga computers. Now that title can describe the period of time when Commodore operated the Amiga company in Los Gatos.
These are some of the benefits to splitting the book:
• There will be fewer players to concentrate on in each book. With The Amiga Years, the original Amiga team will have the most focus throughout the book. It starts with them and it ends with them.
• Many interesting subjects will no longer have to be cut from the book.
• With less computers to cover, each book becomes more focused.
• Lots of things end in 1987, including Thomas Rattigan’s reign as CEO (along with “his” people). It’s a good place to divide the manuscript and it mirrors the ending of the previous book when Jack Tramiel left the company.
• Backers will receive the printed book and rewards much sooner.
• Good things come in trilogies! Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Star Wars. (okay, neither of these ended up with only three)
Let me know your honest feedback. As the people backing this project your input is the most important consideration when it comes to such a decision. Please post your thoughts below or send them via a personal Kickstarter message.
« Last Edit: May 11, 2017, 01:12:16 AM by Jeff »
 

Offline BozzerBigD

What does he mean by 3 ebooks?

Is it that we've received the first pre-release already (book 1 covering 1982 to 1985). Book 2 would be cover the same time period but go to 1987 and 'The Final Years' would cover the period 1987 to 1994. Is this right? The only hardcopy we get would be book 2 'The Amiga Years' (1982 - 1987)?

I don't mind as long as the story gets told to readdress Apple's historical distortion field ;-) Saying that I wish some libraries would stock the hard copies.
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As a backer as well.. my take on it;

"The Kickstarter states "Take a journey from Amiga's beginnings in 1982 to when Commodore filed for bankruptcy in 1994" but nope we are now only going to get a printed book until 1987. Having purchased the other 2 x books "Commodore a company on the edge" I'm really disappointed this Kickstarter is not going to deliver what was promised. I'm also paying for one of the higher awards expecting this will be the "complete" book, but it now won't be; it will be only half the book I backed! Looking at the comments, I'm in minority here, but as a higher backer I was expecting the full story for the price I paid for the exclusives I had pledged for. Kickstarter creators should keep the original promise and not use the $$$ to fund other projects where we have paid $$$ already only to receive what will be half a book."
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Offline Pat the Cat

Not surprised. Corporate histories are either huge or they miss lots of detail.
 
 Which isn't to say I approve of the current situation, just saying that the delay might help.
 
 If the guy wants more money on an agreed price, he's flirting with breach of contract elements or a stack of other legal nonsense, none of which gets a book out any quicker.
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