Several PPC cards on Amibench

[JaXanim]

@x56h34

For the fraudulent theft of well over 2,000 Euros, he may face a jail sentence if convicted.

@All concerned

I have now received the final details for the letter. There will be no further additions now, because I have to redraft it and print it tonight, ready for posting tomorrow.

Cheers,

JaX

[preacher]

I think there is a slim chance to actually get the money back. I sent the money via my bank, directly to Binder's account. Now, the german bank cannot repay the money unless their client approves it. However, if the bank finds out from the police that Mr. Binder is a fraud, under investigation, they may be more willing to do such a thing.

That's what I hope at least...

[Hattig]

I think that it is pretty damned terrible for someone to just take advantage of a market that has been ripped off so many times before … people like that deserve to have horrible things done to them.

I hope that you all get your money back … or the hardware!

It is a sad world we live in when you have to consider escrow services by default for online purchases from someone else. At least eBay has buyer feedback.

[JaXanim]

@All concerned

The letter to the Police should now be on its way in the 10a.m. post. I sent it by the 'Signed For' service. All we can do now is wait.

If anyone feels they should talk directly to the Police in Albstsdt, here is the info you need.

Schutz-u. Kriminalpolizei Polizeivier
Truchtelfingen
Rudolf-Diesel-Strasse 3
72461 Albstadt
Germany

Phone: (07432) 955-0
Fax:   (07432) 955-109

Outside Germany, remove the zero from the Albstadt area code.

Cheers,

JaX

[CU_AMiGA]

.....and what happens now?

[girv73]

Another fool, but I'm even late to the party.

I sent Tibor Toth (TTAmiga@gmx.de) GBP250.00 for a
PPC240/060+SCSI+BVision and paid by PayPal. No items
have arrived.

I emailed him again today (5th May) but got the user
unknown error  message, so I Googled for the address
and found this thread. What a nice surprise :pissed:

@JaXanim: add me to the list. I know the letter has
already gone to the police; should I send my own in
addition to yours?

[CU_AMiGA]

I am still debating whether or not we should put a note up on Amibench or not. This person was "lucky" to have found this thread.

[Hattig]

Why are you debating? This person (and an accomplice?) is ripping people off.

However I'd never use Paypal for something more than £20. Paypal are renowned for not protecting their honest users and doing nothing about dishonest users.

As long as an advert is on Amibench, more people will get ripped off.

Now if you had an address for this person, a few balaclavas, a return flight ticket and a crowbar ...

[CU_AMiGA]

@girv73

Oh yeah, welcome to Amiga.org :pint: pity it is on bad terms though. If you contact JaXanim, he will let you know what to do and that.

@Hattig

Trouble is though, he will rip off others under a different name. If you look earlier on, there is another Amibench post with a cheap PPC onit, that looks suspicous.

[guest1955]

@girv73
How long ago was it since you paid for the items? If it's been within a few days, you could get in contact with PayPal, and they will investigate: If you do it quick enough (IE, Paid only a few days ago and complain now) you will probably get all you money back because the balance wouldn't have been cleared into his other account in time.

[girv73]

@tangletown: thanks, but its beyond 30 days so PayPal aren't interested. They've added my message on his account but that doesn't count for much I guess.

@CU_AMiGA: cheers :pint: :-D

[CU_AMiGA]

Right, i think as well as Jax sending out that letter, i think also that cgutjahr should pay our friend a visit. It surely the only way now, as he is more locally than al of us.

[JaXanim]

@girv73

Oh dear, I suspected there would be others who sent money, but don't visit Aorg so often. Your money puts the known sum to around 3,000 Euros. Quite a lucrative scam, eh.

Unfortunately, the letter to the Albstadt Police is already on its way (see my earlier post). All I can suggest is making contact yourself at the address I've given above.

You could either phone them or fax them and tell them to include you in the Binder case which they will know about in three or four days time. You could refer to my letter dated 4 May 2004. I'll send you details by Aorg's Private Mailing system.

[EDIT: Erm, where's the PM button gone?]

Cheers,

JaX

[CU_AMiGA]

@JaXamin

Click on user nickname and on the user details the PM button is under the avatar.

[JaXanim]

@CU_Amiga

What would you like cgutjahr to do? If he gets face to face with Binder, who knows what could happen? It could turn nasty. We shouldn't ask anyone to risk themselves on our behalf, especially now the Police are involved.

If anyone pays Binder a visit and gets involved in anything physical, our fraud case could fall apart around our ears. So,let the Police deal with Binder and his cronies.

Cheers,

JaX

[punkpie]

I know his email address doens't working anymore but is his phone still connected?