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Offline Pentad

Re: OS3.9 BB3+4 V1.2 Available
« Reply #74 from previous page: February 10, 2016, 08:14:41 PM »
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My next phone will be running windows 10 mobile, if they support their phones as well as they do the desktop.


Wow, you really have no idea what is going on do you.  You might want to do some reading:

https://www.google.com/#q=Windows+10+spying

http://bgr.com/2016/02/10/windows-10-spying-investigation/

And you are aware Windows 10 mobile is just about dead right?

"Windows 10 for phones has had a catastrophic Holiday quarter as sales slumped to an all-time low to just 4.5 million Lumia phones. That's a decline of the whopping 57% over the same quarter in 2014, and 49% drop in revenue."

Oh, and you should probably read this too:

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Windows-10-for-phones-has-a-huge-problem-its-app-store-is-infested-with-fake-apps_id78106

http://www.theverge.com/2016/1/28/10864034/windows-phone-is-dead

Sorry to rain on your parade,
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Re: OS3.9 BB3+4 V1.2 Available
« Reply #75 on: February 11, 2016, 02:41:54 PM »
How much money has OS4 made so far?

How do MorphOS, AROS and OS4 compare in terms of development practice and development speed?
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Re: OS3.9 BB3+4 V1.2 Available
« Reply #76 on: February 11, 2016, 04:12:38 PM »
Hi all!

Quote from: kolla;803603
It is not as if FSF etc have ownership over the concept, open source as a concept does't even relate with copyrights [...]

I maybe misunderstand here but "open source" (whichever flavour) is all about copyrights.

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Offline kolla

Re: OS3.9 BB3+4 V1.2 Available
« Reply #77 on: February 11, 2016, 04:57:06 PM »
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I maybe misunderstand here but "open source" (whichever flavour) is all about copyrights.

The various licenses (which ever flavour) are all about copyrights. There is open source software and there is free software, some open source software is free software, some is not. And then there is "free" as in gratis vs "free" as in libre. Some institutions claim definition on the various terms, for example OSI (The Open Source Initiative) and FSF (Free Software Foundation), but the concepts are older than these organizations.

Here is a confusing example, just randomly picked...  ;)

http://aminet.net/package/util/wb/BenchTrash

"it's 100% free". I wonder if FSF and Thomas use the same definition of "free" :)
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Re: OS3.9 BB3+4 V1.2 Available
« Reply #78 on: February 11, 2016, 06:12:36 PM »
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Here is a confusing example, just randomly picked...  
So what exactly is confusing about it?  
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I wonder if FSF and Thomas use the same definition of "free" :)

Just because the FSF is on a political mission, it does not mean that everybody has to agree with them. If you get something for free, it means that you do not have to pay for it. Pretty regular use of the English word "free".
 

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Re: OS3.9 BB3+4 V1.2 Available
« Reply #79 on: February 11, 2016, 06:29:45 PM »
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How much money has OS4 made so far?
I doubt any numbers have been published on that.
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How do MorphOS, AROS and OS4 compare in terms of development practice and development speed?

I don't know either. All four do not run on classic hardware (or, rather poorly, as AROS is concerned). I personally consider it quite obvious that they haven't found their customers, lacking both affordable hardware and a sufficiently large software library. Development pace is at glacial speed for all of them.  

I doubt you can really compare AOS/Morphos with AROS, and all of the three with the classical AmigaOs. AOS/Morphos address approximately the same market (PPC Amiga "wannabees"), or the  lack of a market, so to say. Morphos made at least not the error of depending on custom-made overpriced hardware, which is an advantage. But none of them supply a sufficient library of interesting applications, so both are a rather pointless exercises, if you ask me.

AROS I do not quite understand either. Development is slow, it is neither an alternative to AmigaOs, does not run well on the existing systems, so there is no usable software library either. Otherwise, if I already have a PC, then there is Linux and many applications for them, so why would one pick AROS?

It's really not a miracle that none of them has found a wide user basis.

The reason why I believe that one can probably/hopefully come up with a self-sustainable AmigaOs for 68K is that there is now both: a) an interesting hardware alternative (the FPGA implementations) and b) a large legacy software library.

If you come up with an alternative business model that helps to make this possible, go ahead. Up to now, I received nothing, and until then, I believe I'd rather stick with the original idea: Sell it for (gosh!) money.
 

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Re: OS3.9 BB3+4 V1.2 Available
« Reply #80 on: February 11, 2016, 07:04:04 PM »
@Thomas Richter

Can you please explain to me what market you keep talking about?

There is no such thing in terms of AmigaOS3.9, I mean at all. I guess there will nobody ever fix or improve OS3.9 due copyright issues and other problems.

Basically nobody cares about development of OS3.x, not even Cloanto, even though they are offering updated Kickstart and slightly modified original AmigaOS3.1. Which is great as replacement disks or for emulators, but nothing more.
 

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Re: OS3.9 BB3+4 V1.2 Available
« Reply #81 on: February 11, 2016, 07:12:57 PM »
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Can you please explain to me what market you keep talking about?

There is no such thing in terms of AmigaOS3.9, I mean at all. I guess there will nobody ever fix or improve OS3.9 due copyright issues and other problems.
The point is that it becomes more and more clear that this is no longer the case. I wouldn't say so if it wouldn't be possible, and this is exactly why there are currently some talks on the way to make exactly that possible, not everything of which can be made public at this time.

 
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Basically nobody cares about development of OS3.x, not even Cloanto, even though they are offering updated Kickstart and slightly modified original AmigaOS3.1. Which is great as replacement disks or for emulators, but nothing more.

Again, that no longer the case, at least according to the folks I talked to. There is currently a window of opportunity for exactly that. The reason that Cloanto has problems with Os 3.9 is not because they are not interested. It is more that Cloanto has unfortunately only rights on 3.1, but not on 3.9.

But no, the copyrights are not lost, the sources are not lost, and I really *do* have some hope that it should be possible to renovate 3.9 a bit. What triggered all this was of course the arrival of new hardware.

Whether this will work or not I cannot promise, of course, but it doesn't really look that bad anymore.
 

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Re: OS3.9 BB3+4 V1.2 Available
« Reply #82 on: February 11, 2016, 07:41:05 PM »
People who really want this software can download it.  Its not like its hard to find.
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Re: OS3.9 BB3+4 V1.2 Available
« Reply #83 on: February 11, 2016, 08:12:08 PM »
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People who really want this software can download it.  Its not like its hard to find.

Software that is still to be written? How do you do that? An infinite improbability device and a really hot cup of tea?
 

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Re: OS3.9 BB3+4 V1.2 Available
« Reply #84 on: February 11, 2016, 08:16:16 PM »
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Software that is still to be written? How do you do that? An infinite improbability device and a really hot cup of tea?


So witty.  So impressive.   I'm talking about software thats written.
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Re: OS3.9 BB3+4 V1.2 Available
« Reply #85 on: February 11, 2016, 08:21:23 PM »
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So witty.  So impressive.   I'm talking about software thats written.

But I don't. It would make little sense to re-sell Os 3.9 indeed.
 

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Re: OS3.9 BB3+4 V1.2 Available
« Reply #86 on: February 11, 2016, 08:26:27 PM »
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But I don't. It would make little sense to re-sell Os 3.9 indeed.


I'll admit..I maybe read the 1st page..jumped to the last..glanced over your post and figured you were arguing about something.   LOL
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Re: OS3.9 BB3+4 V1.2 Available
« Reply #87 on: February 11, 2016, 08:32:02 PM »
Quote from: Thomas Richter;803863
The point is that it becomes more and more clear that this is no longer the case. I wouldn't say so if it wouldn't be possible, and this is exactly why there are currently some talks on the way to make exactly that possible, not everything of which can be made public at this time.

 

Again, that no longer the case, at least according to the folks I talked to. There is currently a window of opportunity for exactly that. The reason that Cloanto has problems with Os 3.9 is not because they are not interested. It is more that Cloanto has unfortunately only rights on 3.1, but not on 3.9.

But no, the copyrights are not lost, the sources are not lost, and I really *do* have some hope that it should be possible to renovate 3.9 a bit. What triggered all this was of course the arrival of new hardware.

Whether this will work or not I cannot promise, of course, but it doesn't really look that bad anymore.


That's good to hear. I asked Mike a couple of months ago about the chances of Cloanto releasing "Workbench 3.10" but he said that even though he'd love to it won't happen due to a total lack of resources available to make it happen.

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Re: OS3.9 BB3+4 V1.2 Available
« Reply #88 on: February 11, 2016, 08:32:39 PM »
Quote from: Thomas Richter;803857
So what exactly is confusing about it?  

Just because the FSF is on a political mission, it does not mean that everybody has to agree with them. If you get something for free, it means that you do not have to pay for it.

I am glad to see you agree that just because some organization is on a political mission, it does not mean that everybody has to agree with them. This is just as valid with "open source software" as it is for "free software" :)

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Pretty regular use of the English word "free".

There is a slight distinction in meaning between "it's 100% free" and "it's 100%  _for_ free".
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Re: OS3.9 BB3+4 V1.2 Available
« Reply #89 on: February 11, 2016, 08:47:55 PM »
Quote from: Thomas Richter;803863
But no, the copyrights are not lost, the sources are not lost, and I really *do* have some hope that it should be possible to renovate 3.9 a bit. What triggered all this was of course the arrival of new hardware.

What hardware would that be? I guess your plan is to somehow "lock" newer AmigaOS 3.x to the Apollo core?
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