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Offline kolla

Re: OS3.9 BB3+4 V1.2 Available
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2016, 02:29:02 PM »
So, what are these then?
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Changes between V1.11 and V1.2:
Updated Clock from 40.1 to 42.1.
Updated iffparse.library from 40.1 to 42.2.
Updated CrossDOSFileSystem from 40.19 to 40.24.
Updated Wait from 37.3 to 42.1.
Updated Sort from 37.3 to 42.1.
Updated BindDrivers from 38.2 to 42.1.
Added led.image 42.2.
Added MacPaint datatype 42.1.
Added ICO datatype 42.1.
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Offline kolla

Re: OS3.9 BB3+4 V1.2 Available
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2016, 02:38:25 PM »
Quote from: Thomas Richter;803536
I personally gave permission (where I could and where I was asked) for my stuff, but that might not go for anything in this archive. It's at least dubious.

Did you give permission for this?

bash-3.2$ lha v BoingBags3\&4.lha | grep shell-seg
[unknown]                16950   29092  58.3% -lh5- d480 Jan 10 02:50 boingbag3.9-3&4/files1/l/shell-seg
bash-3.2$


That is - this is not patches, these are fully patched binaries, distributed around as half-official.

If Cosmos was doing this, it would be havoc.
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Re: OS3.9 BB3+4 V1.2 Available
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2016, 02:44:04 PM »
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Did you give permission for this?

bash-3.2$ lha v BoingBags3\&4.lha | grep shell-seg
[unknown]                16950   29092  58.3% -lh5- d480 Jan 10 02:50 boingbag3.9-3&4/files1/l/shell-seg
bash-3.2$


That is - this is not patches, these are fully patched binaries, distributed around as half-official.

If Cosmos was doing this, it would be havoc.

I cannot give permissions for this because I'm not the owner. I only own the modifications on the Shell, but I do not own the shell.

I can probably *get* the permissions for it when I would ask, but I never did. It was simpler to provide the patch as it was also a check whether the people would already own 3.9.

Note that I gave permission for redistribution of the Shell-Seg to Cloanto a while ago. I'm fine with that, and Cloanto holds a licence on the kickstart, hence that's all fine. But I doubt Cloanto has uploaded these, right?

One way or another, this stuff should go unless the uploader clarifies where it came from and whether it was redistributed with permission.
 

Offline nicholas

Re: OS3.9 BB3+4 V1.2 Available
« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2016, 02:54:18 PM »
Quote from: kolla;803540
Did you give permission for this?

bash-3.2$ lha v BoingBags3\&4.lha | grep shell-seg
[unknown]                16950   29092  58.3% -lh5- d480 Jan 10 02:50 boingbag3.9-3&4/files1/l/shell-seg
bash-3.2$


That is - this is not patches, these are fully patched binaries, distributed around as half-official.

If Cosmos was doing this, it would be havoc.

 My thoughts exactly.  One rule for some and another for everyone else.
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Offline kolla

Re: OS3.9 BB3+4 V1.2 Available
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2016, 03:01:18 PM »
Quote from: Thomas Richter;803541

One way or another, this stuff should go unless the uploader clarifies where it came from and whether it was redistributed with permission.


What do you mean by "should go"? The person who is distributing this boingbag is posting right here in this thread. Shouldn't you be all over him?
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Re: OS3.9 BB3+4 V1.2 Available
« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2016, 03:04:31 PM »
Quote from: kolla;803543
What do you mean by "should go"? The person who is distributing this boingbag is posting right here in this thread. Shouldn't you be all over him?

I am not a moderator here. So moderators: Please kill the download links unless further clarifications from the uploader.

Add: Reported the post. You should, too. I hope it'll be taken down.
 

Offline kolla

Re: OS3.9 BB3+4 V1.2 Available
« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2016, 03:15:44 PM »
No, I don't mind the links, I mind the double standards.
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Re: OS3.9 BB3+4 V1.2 Available
« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2016, 03:26:52 PM »
Quote from: kolla;803547
No, I don't mind the links, I mind the double standards.

I don't set double standards for certain. Illegal links should not go here. No matter who posts them.
 

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Re: OS3.9 BB3+4 V1.2 Available
« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2016, 03:45:36 PM »
Hey, I'll kill the link... no problem - if you would like. But, the only reason I posted the link (I might add that I posted a point of reference link to EAB for clarification as to where and why the download was provided) was that it seemed to me that Kolla was collaborating with the author of the V1.2-3&4 Boing Bag (EAB post #70 and #71) and that his Genesis concern was addressed. I too was concerned with the same issue among others the last time I installed BB3&4. I have since NOT installed BB3&4 on my newest OS3.9 install.

I am not in the same circles as those so closely associated with the release of such software updates and don't pretend to be. It just seemed to me that this release was legit as it was posted on EAB for ALL to see! EAB Post #72. How is this "allowed" over at EAB without the same uproar? What makes the link "illegal" here on Amiga.org and NOT illegal over on EAB? Who's running this place anyway?

Sheeeeesh, I was just trying let peeps here on A.O. know of a new version of BB3&4 - I didn't know that decisions of what software development gets posted here where reserved for only a select few. Talk about double standards! You guys (I have no idea who that is) responsible for such releases need to get your golf balls in the same bucket. Sorry if I stepped on anyone's turf!
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Re: OS3.9 BB3+4 V1.2 Available
« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2016, 04:50:14 PM »
Great. Great job, guys. Can we think of any more ways to squash Amiga development and progress, today? Geez Louise, buncha grumpy old men on this site...  :angryfire:
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Re: OS3.9 BB3+4 V1.2 Available
« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2016, 05:02:00 PM »
Just keep going guys and pretty soon we won't have a hobby.
 

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Re: OS3.9 BB3+4 V1.2 Available
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2016, 07:17:38 PM »
Quote from: Oldsmobile_Mike;803550
Great. Great job, guys. Can we think of any more ways to squash Amiga development and progress, today?

There will be certainly no development if you guys don't stop to distribute unauthorized copyrighted content and learn to play by the rules. You cannot ship what is not yours.

Again, *I personally* have nothing against distributing the shell update as complete binary. But I cannot give permission for that. It is not *my* program begin with. So please take down the link. I mean it.

If you believe that you have an update for an important system component, why don't you just ask the rights holder *first*? This worked for me at least once, so I don't really see why it shouldn't work for you either.

Talk first, shoot later. Got it?
 

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Re: OS3.9 BB3+4 V1.2 Available
« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2016, 08:13:12 PM »
The "short list" of contributors to this project is over 50 names long.  Presumably each of those people has given their blessing for their software to be included in this package.  Now, just going out on a limb, is it not also possible that one of the rights-holders to whatever software has people all up-in-arms today also gave their permission?  Just hypothetically speaking, and all.

Instead of everyone assuming "OMG they don't have rights to distribute this stuff", how about everybody just assume that they do, until proven otherwise?
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Re: OS3.9 BB3+4 V1.2 Available
« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2016, 09:57:29 PM »
Quote from: Oldsmobile_Mike;803559
Instead of everyone assuming "OMG they don't have rights to distribute this stuff", how about everybody just assume that they do, until proven otherwise?

Because it is glaringly obvious that it is not the case? Who would give permission to distributr the old bits and pieces from OS 3.2 anyhow?

Anyhow, I just wanted to point out the double standards here.
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Re: OS3.9 BB3+4 V1.2 Available
« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2016, 09:54:59 AM »
Quote from: kolla;803568
Because it is glaringly obvious that it is not the case? Who would give permission to distributr the old bits and pieces from OS 3.2 anyhow?
Look, to be frank, you do not know that, and you do not know where the components came from. They could be home-made like Peter K's icon.library.  

At least, I do not know whether the other components are distributable in this form or not. The only thing I do know is that one cannot distribute the Shell-Seg in this form. It is probably nit-picking whether the archive contains the binary or the patch, but to be 100% correct, the binary as such is not redistributable. So yes, this can be removed.
Quote from: kolla;803568
Anyhow, I just wanted to point out the double standards here.

I would rather say that this has still to be seen. There's a difference between "hey, I hacked up exec and here you go" and binaries that are, possibly, self-made components by someone from scratch (or not?) that replace the CBM binaries, plus one component that has (only) been distributed in in proper shape but whose author has developed this component under contract and is otherwise fine with its distribution.

I'd say that there is actually a difference - at least unless clarified.

To be on the safe side, go check where the components came from, contact the authors and see what they have to say.
 

Offline nicholas

Re: OS3.9 BB3+4 V1.2 Available
« Reply #29 from previous page: February 06, 2016, 10:49:25 AM »
Quote from: gizmo350;803549
Hey, I'll kill the link... no problem - if you would like. But, the only reason I posted the link (I might add that I posted a point of reference link to EAB for clarification as to where and why the download was provided) was that it seemed to me that Kolla was collaborating with the author of the V1.2-3&4 Boing Bag (EAB post #70 and #71) and that his Genesis concern was addressed. I too was concerned with the same issue among others the last time I installed BB3&4. I have since NOT installed BB3&4 on my newest OS3.9 install.

I am not in the same circles as those so closely associated with the release of such software updates and don't pretend to be. It just seemed to me that this release was legit as it was posted on EAB for ALL to see! EAB Post #72. How is this "allowed" over at EAB without the same uproar? What makes the link "illegal" here on Amiga.org and NOT illegal over on EAB? Who's running this place anyway?

Sheeeeesh, I was just trying let peeps here on A.O. know of a new version of BB3&4 - I didn't know that decisions of what software development gets posted here where reserved for only a select few. Talk about double standards! You guys (I have no idea who that is) responsible for such releases need to get your golf balls in the same bucket. Sorry if I stepped on anyone's turf!

 I think it should be allowed and that this is a great collection of software, it's the "Won't somebody think of the rights holders?! There's pennies to be made!" mentality that some people have towards ancient software that needs to go.  It's this mentality that holds back the community.
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