X5000 pre-orders

[Thorham]

the Amiga

In Amiga land it's not so clear what that actually is. Camp A says it's this, Camp B says it's that, and Camp C says it's something else.

[wawrzon]

Once applications are in a higher language,

and the source code is well preserved and accessible under some kind of (open) license, except a rare case when the developer hasnt yet left the scene and is willing to recompile his software himself. i dont know if such software will ever be of any significant quantity on amiga-oid systems. but then one can just repeat a linux port from the scratch.

[Iggy]

Not necessarily. Once applications are in a higher language, you would only need to recompile. It is the API that matters, not the microprocessor.

And..the MorphOS x64 API will lack legacy support, so that completely shoots the "you can just re-compile it" argument.
Not that that was ever really true.

The current fiasco over MUI proves that.

OS4=Reaction, AROS=Zune, MorphOS=MUI

All issues that have to be addressed when porting.

[xboxOwn]

An ISA switch may help the Amiga "hardware" problem but it makes the "software" problem worse. Even developers which want to support the Amiga after looking at the small market will wonder how they will develop for all of the following.

AmigaOS 3.x 68k (includes UAE, FPGA Arcade, Mist, etc.)
AmigaOS 4.x PPC
MorphOS PPC
MorphOS x86
AROS 68k
AROS x86
AROS ARM

There is no single compiler install which can target all of these platforms and testing would be ridiculous. The amount of pre-processor conditionals for all the different APIs, ISAs and ABIs is already out of control when trying to support them all with a single source. We need standards and consolidation for the Amiga not more dilution and fragmentation.

-Grin- I hope there are more and more flavours.

I wish WinUAE and Amithlon is in the list : D Hehehe

[xboxOwn]

And..the MorphOS x64 API will lack legacy support, so that completely shoots the "you can just re-compile it" argument.
Not that that was ever really true.

The current fiasco over MUI proves that.

OS4=Reaction, AROS=Zune, MorphOS=MUI

All issues that have to be addressed when porting.

Weeeeee I am so happy there are three different OS's Hehehe by the way I loooovee aros here. You guys are aware that if AmigaOS.4.1 does not jump to x86 soon....it will lose the battle and die a horrible death. I hope X5000 is x86 or else ouch.

[Iggy]

Weeeeee I am so happy there are three different OS's Hehehe by the way I loooovee aros here. You guys are aware that if AmigaOS.4.1 does not jump to x86 soon....it will lose the battle and die a horrible death. I hope X5000 is x86 or else ouch.

Yes we all love AROS too.
Especially when it lacks specific features or crashes.
Don't be so quick to welcome us to your ISA.

We just might do it better than you.

[xboxOwn]

Yes we all love AROS too.
Especially when it lacks specific features or crashes.
Don't be so quick to welcome us to your ISA.

We just might do it better than you.

You know....I hope you do . If AROS is an incentive to make you guys compete and do better than ever before then it have done it's job very well By the way, if you guys do better than AROS or as you say "We might do it better than you." I will gladly buy a copy of MorphOS even if I did already buy one for my iBook G4. I will gladly spend 150 or 170 euro without hesitation and register an x86 version....as long as you promise that you will do it better than AROS and kick AROS butt...why not? What do I lose?

Competition is healthy...very healthy actually...monopoly destroy itself and everyone around....so I want AROS to be the incentive the carrot so to speak for the MorphOS team to do better and better each time

However....one cannot deny though...that AmigaOS 4.x is seriously moving very fast in behind the ball game........i have the feeling if AROS and MorphOS compete against each other and one tries to out do the other in the end....AmigaOS 4.x will be the losing game.....and we will have the two BEST AmigaOS alternative out there for the x86 and if AROS merges with MorphOS and still have a kick ass Amiga alternative OS for x86...is till does not change the fact...that AmigaOS 4.1 will die...and die badly....

I am happy to hear that.

[Rob]

Cue the 180 degree turn around when the OS4 faithful realise the machines in question are second hand laptops from Apple and page after page of justifications of why second hand hardware is now wonderful despite it being terrible when MorphOS was first demonstrated running on the same hardware.

Tell me what Apple hardware this is.

[kolla]

AROS is the only one running on 3-5 different architectures, depending on how you count.

[kolla]

Chances are, that MorphOS will only support Apple hardware on x86_64

[Iggy]

Tell me what Apple hardware this is.

Obviously not Apple hardware, but didn't you get an I/O back plate with that motherboard?

[Iggy]

Chances are, that MorphOS will only support Apple hardware on x86_64

No, I can guarantee that is not the case.
The use of Apple hardware was dictated by the need for a PPC processor.

And, what will be needed for an X64 move is a system that will remain available for a few years.

[Iggy]

You know....I hope you do . If AROS is an incentive to make you guys compete and do better than ever before then it have done it's job very well By the way, if you guys do better than AROS or as you say "We might do it better than you." I will gladly buy a copy of MorphOS even if I did already buy one for my iBook G4. I will gladly spend 150 or 170 euro without hesitation and register an x86 version....as long as you promise that you will do it better than AROS and kick AROS butt...why not? What do I lose?

Competition is healthy...very healthy actually...monopoly destroy itself and everyone around....so I want AROS to be the incentive the carrot so to speak for the MorphOS team to do better and better each time

However....one cannot deny though...that AmigaOS 4.x is seriously moving very fast in behind the ball game........i have the feeling if AROS and MorphOS compete against each other and one tries to out do the other in the end....AmigaOS 4.x will be the losing game.....and we will have the two BEST AmigaOS alternative out there for the x86 and if AROS merges with MorphOS and still have a kick ass Amiga alternative OS for x86...is till does not change the fact...that AmigaOS 4.1 will die...and die badly....

I am happy to hear that.

I tend to agree with you on most of this.
OS4 graphics support recently has been fairly remarkable.
But they may have bit off more than they can chew with the specs they want for 4.2.
And placing an AROS machine next to an OS4 machine can be a little unfair (it looks good).

But my point was, in order to move forward we need to change, not try to keep emulating 3.1 or tacking things on to that base.

I love working with PPC MorphOS, but I'm beginning to look forward to the X64 transition because I'm TIRED of being told we are in competition.

Frankly, we have three OS' with a common root that are diverging.

[Rob]

Obviously not Apple hardware, but didn't you get an I/O back plate with that motherboard?

It's not my hardware, I just took the photo.  Maybe a backplate isn't ready or perhaps it was left open for those who were a little more inquisitve.

[Spectre660]

The back plates tend to come after the motherboards in the AmigaNG world.
The picture kind of looks familiar but my lips are sealed .

Obviously not Apple hardware, but didn't you get an I/O back plate with that motherboard?

[Spectre660]

Rob

they should have sealed your lips and camera too.

It's not my hardware, I just took the photo.  Maybe a backplate isn't ready or perhaps it was left open for those who were a little more inquisitve.