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« Reply #44 on: February 24, 2004, 01:42:40 AM »
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Re: I`m confused! Genesi VS Amiga.Inc....the saga continues.......
« Reply #45 on: February 24, 2004, 04:32:43 AM »
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Moobunny is just another place for spam. and insults flying!

Well, to its credit, Moobunny, as an essentially unmoderated forum, lets people say what they want and lets threads run until nobody's interested anymore. Of course you have to put up with the bad to get the good, but I like the fact that no heavy-handed moderators stop conversations because they don't happen to like the tone or whatever.

You're right that the freedom leads to abuse for some immature people. On the other hand, there are good conversations there, with people who know what they're talking about. This ebbs and flows, like at other places.

I think the best way to summarize the Moobunny character is "skeptical." There's little patience with "fans" of whatever persuasion, if they don't have a rational basis for their enthusiasm.

I think bbrv posts at Moobunny because, once you get past the frothing of immature jerks, there is a core of intelligent and articulate people frequenting the place. That's my take, anyway. And compared to some other sites, he hasn't been confronted by pages of posts by people wishing him to die, give up the computing business, improve his sex life, and other nicities. Of course he draws these guys like a magnet. Once he refers to any subset as "morons" or "idiots," a whole bunch of people rise up to a) take offense, and b) by responding with even lower, braindead insults, prove his words well-chosen. Not the way for a company president to act? Maybe not, but at least he's been involved and in touch, which is a lot better than how that other CEO has handled things. I wouldn't say things the way bbrv says them, either. But I'm also not on the receiving end of what he and Genesi have had to put up with every since introducing products in this market.

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Re: I`m confused! Genesi VS Amiga.Inc....the saga continues.......
« Reply #46 on: February 24, 2004, 07:57:58 AM »
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> But I also would appreciate an executive update from Bill McEwen which clarifies everything.


Now that would be a novelty ........
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
6. Deny that you have ever announced it
7. Blame someone else
 

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Re: I`m confused! Genesi VS Amiga.Inc....the saga continues.......
« Reply #47 on: February 24, 2004, 08:20:23 AM »
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Your sig is freaking me out man. :-)

That's nothing! :-D
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Re: I`m confused! Genesi VS Amiga.Inc....the saga continues.......
« Reply #48 on: February 24, 2004, 08:58:01 AM »
hey! There are more important things happening than ur avatars and sigs  :-P
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Re: I`m confused! Genesi VS Amiga.Inc....the saga continues.......
« Reply #49 on: February 24, 2004, 09:33:53 AM »
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hey! There are more important things happening than ur avatars and sigs  :-P


Where? :lol:
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Re: I`m confused! Genesi VS Amiga.Inc....the saga continues.......
« Reply #50 on: February 24, 2004, 10:19:00 AM »
>Apparently something important happened. Can someone >briefly explain to me (without resorting to calling names >and trolling) what the fuss is all about?

The fuss is about Buck throwing *UD (Mud and FUD) again.
Nothing really happening. His claims are pointless.

His point is of course that he tries to make potential OS 4
buyers unsure.

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Re: I`m confused! Genesi VS Amiga.Inc....the saga continues.......
« Reply #51 on: February 24, 2004, 10:23:29 AM »
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MagicSN wrote:
>Apparently something important happened. Can someone >briefly explain to me (without resorting to calling names >and trolling) what the fuss is all about?

The fuss is about Buck throwing *UD (Mud and FUD) again.
Nothing really happening. His claims are pointless.

His point is of course that he tries to make potential OS 4
buyers unsure.

Steffen



Unsure about what? He has made it very clear that he has no intention of stopping development, and is even perpared to reduce the licence fee that Hyperion whould have to pay for the Amiga name.

You are just spreading FUD about Bill Buck :-P

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Re: I`m confused! Genesi VS Amiga.Inc....the saga continues.......
« Reply #52 on: February 24, 2004, 10:48:50 AM »
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MagicSN wrote:
>Apparently something important happened. Can someone >briefly explain to me (without resorting to calling names >and trolling) what the fuss is all about?

The fuss is about Buck throwing *UD (Mud and FUD) again.
Nothing really happening. His claims are pointless.


Some people keep saying that (they said it about the "AmigaDE case" too (and this is actually the same, settled case, not a new one)) but keep being corrected time after time when the reality catches up with them.

If this comes through the way it should, it will be the most positive thing that happened to the Amiga community for many years. It looks like Hyperion might find themselves to be standing in front of a serious decision soon. Provided that Hyperion plays ball in a sensible way, everyone will win (Hyperion, Genesi, the customers, the resellers, the developers -- everyone in the community), and we will have unity again!
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His point is of course that he tries to make potential OS 4
buyers unsure.

Steffen


That's a pretty wild and groundless accusation if you ask me. Besides, no-one can buy OS4 anyway, and I am pretty sure about that ...
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Re: I`m confused! Genesi VS Amiga.Inc....the saga continues.......
« Reply #53 on: February 24, 2004, 11:00:47 AM »
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Unsure about what? He has made it very clear that he has no intention of stopping development, and is even perpared to reduce the licence fee that Hyperion whould have to pay for the Amiga name.

You are just spreading FUD about Bill Buck :-P


Ambigous statements about the outcome from the case, or "The Hyperion/Eyetech OS 4.0 Agreement will be declared  "null and void and of no force or effect." " ring a bell?

 

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Re: I`m confused! Genesi VS Amiga.Inc....the saga continues.......
« Reply #54 on: February 24, 2004, 11:01:51 AM »
Ok, so this is totally up to Hyperion now? But im not so sure Hyperion actually wants to make negotiations with Genesi in the first place... Hyperion should find a larger company who is interested spitting money into the project, and is will do its best to promote os4, and has a name and a reputation thats heard of in the computer world.

Or am i talking nonsence?  :-)
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Re: I`m confused! Genesi VS Amiga.Inc....the saga continues.......
« Reply #55 on: February 24, 2004, 11:05:47 AM »
@TMHG

Why is it I can't read any of your postings without the phrase "For God's sake, think for yourself" coming to mind?

Have you ever written a post which isn't regurgitated 'properganda'?
 

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Re: I`m confused! Genesi VS Amiga.Inc....the saga continues.......
« Reply #56 on: February 24, 2004, 11:11:08 AM »
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Ok, so this is totally up to Hyperion now? But im not so sure Hyperion actually wants to make negotiations with Genesi in the first place... Hyperion should find a larger company who is interested spitting money into the project, and is will do its best to promote os4, and has a name and a reputation thats heard of in the computer world.

Or am i talking nonsence?  :-)


I am only speculating of course, but the way I see things, it might very well come to that - Hyperion might have to make a choice. No-one has to love each other to be able to do business you know, but it would help if *some* efforts were put into *building* bridges instead of burning them down as soon as there is a chance ...
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Re: I`m confused! Genesi VS Amiga.Inc....the saga continues.......
« Reply #57 on: February 24, 2004, 11:21:50 AM »
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uncharted wrote:
@TMHG

Why is it I can't read any of your postings without the phrase "For God's sake, think for yourself" coming to mind?

Have you ever written a post which isn't regurgitated 'properganda'?


Propaganda?!! LOL! :lol:  :roflmao:

I'll tell you this, I have been thinking a lot about this (not everyone has, it seems), and my writings are the results of that. Sure, I don't know any more facts than what's publically available (but a lot of you doesn't even read *that* before commenting), and I agree that I am very much *speculating*.

I am happy to discuss my point of view however, but not with someone who writes lame insults like "think for youself" and "propaganda" instead of putting up counter-arguments for a discussion!
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Re: I`m confused! Genesi VS Amiga.Inc....the saga continues.......
« Reply #58 on: February 24, 2004, 11:25:23 AM »
@tmhg:

I am, and many others, are unsure of what YOU are thinking about when u speak of building bridges, if you want a union, then you have to take into consideration that the backside of all this, could be that MorphOS dies a silent death, and all powers are focused on bringing OS4 to the Pegasos.

Think about that.
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Re: I`m confused! Genesi VS Amiga.Inc....the saga continues.......
« Reply #59 from previous page: February 24, 2004, 11:56:42 AM »
(Off Topic, but I think it's cool when someones words are powered by "many others"? ;-))

I don't see any reasons to why MorphOS, AROS or any other OS running on Pegasos needs to "die"?! They are all being developed by different teams, they can all be used in different products. Hyperions OS would on the Pegasos be AmigaOS4, another flower in the Pegasos OS bouquette, and ready to be used in "Amigas".

And I seriously doubt that it would take a lot of "power" and "focus" for Hyperion to port their OS; isn't OS4 made with HAL and easy portability in mind (or is it tightly tied directly to certain hardware throughout the entire OS, like AmigaOS3.1)? The Pegasos1 and the Terons are quite similar (I would guess that OS4 would run on a Pegasos1 after a weekend of work, perhaps less), and MorphOS's migration to Pegasos II went fairly smooth, AFAIK.
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