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Re: Custom Kickstart ROMs
« Reply #29 from previous page: April 20, 2015, 01:12:27 PM »
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Do blank EPROM's have licensing issues too?

No, of course not. But without a kickstart in it, it is rather pointless. The question then, of course, whether the potential buyers of such hardware also have a valid licence for the kickstart they want to burn/flash.
 

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Re: Custom Kickstart ROMs
« Reply #30 on: April 20, 2015, 01:17:13 PM »
Then why would an un-programmed device like Kipper's or Anthony's have such an issue?
 

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Re: Custom Kickstart ROMs
« Reply #31 on: April 20, 2015, 01:21:59 PM »
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lol !

I read many Amiga forums every days since the very beginning of the internet, and as far I remember, no capacitors discussions on them before my blog...

And in my quiet big town, the two electronic stores don't sell SMD capacitors...


cmon. dunno where you live, but in berlin i can go to conrad few streets futher or buy them online, i know, cause i did.
 

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Re: Custom Kickstart ROMs
« Reply #32 on: April 20, 2015, 01:27:01 PM »
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Then why would an un-programmed device like Kipper's or Anthony's have such an issue?


I think it was more of a case of what it could be used for.

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Re: Custom Kickstart ROMs
« Reply #33 on: April 20, 2015, 01:27:09 PM »
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No, of course not. But without a kickstart in it, it is rather pointless. The question then, of course, whether the potential buyers of such hardware also have a valid licence for the kickstart they want to burn/flash.


the threats and blocking attitude against this kind of projects is not likely to have any legal standing. this is just kind of early precaution to demotivate developers before they even get anywhere. we see that kind of behaviour a lot around here, and everybody knows where the flack comes from.
 

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Re: Custom Kickstart ROMs
« Reply #34 on: April 20, 2015, 02:27:29 PM »
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Lets get back on topic (second warning)


Yes : I sent a letter (no emails) to Ben Hermans in november 2009 about a new Kickstart too, and no answer...




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Re: Custom Kickstart ROMs
« Reply #35 on: April 20, 2015, 03:22:41 PM »
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I think it was more of a case of what it could be used for.
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Think about the implications of that statement.
 

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Re: Custom Kickstart ROMs
« Reply #36 on: April 20, 2015, 03:35:33 PM »
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the threats and blocking attitude against this kind of projects is not likely to have any legal standing. this is just kind of early precaution to demotivate developers before they even get anywhere. we see that kind of behaviour a lot around here, and everybody knows where the flack comes from.

Once again: Nobody stops anyone from selling such a piece of hardware - empty! But once again, too: The kickstart *is* copyrighted software, and to sell the EPROM *with* a kickstart, you need a licence on the software you put in. You may not like that, but it does not make this less valid. You cannot sell copyrighted software (as is, or as part of a hardware) without getting a license.

If the buyer already has Amiga hardware, he may own a license simply because the machine came with one. You may then use *this* kickstart in the EPROM, or any other Kickstart *you own*. But only that.

You can get valid kickstarts, licencensed, from Cloanto, no problem.

Thus, I'm not quite clear what you complain about. If you want to sell such EPROMs, sell them empty. If your buyer needs a kickstart image, forward to Cloanto, they sell them. If you don't want to sell them empty, the best idea I would have is to offer Cloanto a business opportunity.

Hyperion is very likely not interested in upgrading the kickstart for 68K machines, or selling licenses since it conflicts with their business interests, so it's the wrong parter to contact.
 

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Re: Custom Kickstart ROMs
« Reply #37 on: April 20, 2015, 04:12:32 PM »
not complaining about anything. just an observation.
 

Offline kolla

Re: Custom Kickstart ROMs
« Reply #38 on: April 20, 2015, 04:58:06 PM »
I just want easily flashable kickstart replacements that I can populate with my own custom kickstarts or even linux kernel loaders. There has been kick switchers in sale since forever, what makes flashable kickstart replacements different I do not grasp.
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Re: Custom Kickstart ROMs
« Reply #39 on: April 20, 2015, 05:00:46 PM »
Quote from: Cosmos;788020
@wawrzon
@kolla
@LoadWB

lol !

I read many Amiga forums every days since the very beginning of the internet, and as far I remember, no capacitors discussions on them before my blog...

And in my quiet big town, the two electronic stores don't sell SMD capacitors...


So you were active on USENET and IRC too then? Web forums is a rather new invention in this context, you know.
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A1200/Blz1260/64MB
A1200/Blz1230III/32MB
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A600/Apollo630/32MB
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Re: Custom Kickstart ROMs
« Reply #40 on: April 20, 2015, 05:05:51 PM »
Thomas Richter: you are aware that Minimig is being sold? And by companies like AmigaKit? And you are aware that most Minimigs will have at least one, and very often many kickstart files on SD cards along with ADF images of OS and games and whatever - and still Minimig is sold?! Isn't that shocking?!
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A4000/CS060/Mediator4000Di/Voodoo5/128MB
A1200/Blz1260/IndyAGA/192MB
A1200/Blz1260/64MB
A1200/Blz1230III/32MB
A1200/ACA1221
A600/V600v2/Subway USB
A600/Apollo630/32MB
A600/A6095
CD32/SX32/32MB/Plipbox
CD32/TF328
A500/V500v2
A500/MTec520
CDTV
MiSTer, MiST, FleaFPGAs and original Minimig
Peg1, SAM440 and Mac minis with MorphOS
 

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Re: Custom Kickstart ROMs
« Reply #41 on: April 20, 2015, 07:39:12 PM »
Quote from: kolla;788076
Thomas Richter: you are aware that Minimig is being sold? And by companies like AmigaKit? And you are aware that most Minimigs will have at least one, and very often many kickstart files on SD cards along with ADF images of OS and games and whatever - and still Minimig is sold?! Isn't that shocking?!

How should I know where they have their licenses from? As I said, it's not a problem to obtain licenses per se. You just have to do it. You cannot get along and sell Kickstart ROMs with 3.1 pre-installed without holding a license. Or at least, you can, but then you shouldn't be astonished if you get mail by a lawer.
 

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Re: Custom Kickstart ROMs
« Reply #42 on: April 20, 2015, 07:53:34 PM »
This thread is not about selling Kickstart ROMs, I don't grasp why certain people, you included, keep bringing this up. We have softkicked and used all kinds of tricks through the years to kick with custom kickstarts, this product and others are just hardware that makes this process a little easier and more convenient. Why the big hoopla about licenses?!
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A1200/Blz1260/IndyAGA/192MB
A1200/Blz1260/64MB
A1200/Blz1230III/32MB
A1200/ACA1221
A600/V600v2/Subway USB
A600/Apollo630/32MB
A600/A6095
CD32/SX32/32MB/Plipbox
CD32/TF328
A500/V500v2
A500/MTec520
CDTV
MiSTer, MiST, FleaFPGAs and original Minimig
Peg1, SAM440 and Mac minis with MorphOS
 

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Re: Custom Kickstart ROMs
« Reply #43 on: April 20, 2015, 08:05:33 PM »
Quote from: kolla;788091
This thread is not about selling Kickstart ROMs, I don't grasp why certain people, you included, keep bringing this up.  
I didn't. Please go back to my post. I said from the beginning that there is no problem selling blank EPROMs or hardware that could allow to flash or burn Kickstarts into. It's a problem selling EPROMs with kickstart included. Or "a bit more of a problem". It's not impossible to get them, as I also said before.

The question rather is, how much a market is there for just the blank EEPROM if you cannot just plug it into the machine and let it go. It makes installation a bit nasty because the users have a bootstrap problem. The hardware should always include a space for placing the original ROM onto to allow booting up with the blank EEPROM underneath.
 

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Re: Custom Kickstart ROMs
« Reply #44 on: April 20, 2015, 09:16:52 PM »
Thomas, following what you stated (which corrects the "Industrial" perceived notion that Amiga users are thieves trading in the illegal use of intellectual property), just sell a copy of the Cloanto CD with each EMPTY Rom-able device.

May the Lord bless those who believe we are all gonnif dreck.