in case you are interested to test new fpga accelerators for a600/a500

[kolla]

What are you up now? What is your problem?

My problem is obviously getting simple answers to simple questions - you are sn AROS/m68k user and distro maintainer - and you are eagerly involved in Apollo/Phoenix - there are plenty of people with Vampire600 and other boards that run Phoenix, you communicate with Gunnar and the Apollo team on their forum, people who should have no problem whatsoever to try out AROS on their hardware - have you ever seen AROS run on the Phoenix core? The answer is either "yes" or "no".

[ferrellsl]

@ferellsl

so you want to scare one of the main contributors like thor away from the project? are you going to take his place and develop support libraries? and if not, why dont you just hold your mouth or go using os4 or something like that, instead of alienating people here?

Huh?  Not sure what you're referring to here.  I don't own or even use OS4,  nor have I ever had an exchange with Thor nor discussed anything about developing the support libraries that I'm aware of.

[wawrzon]

@kolla

the answer is so far i have observed, and no, i dont know for sure, that apollo core has not yet run p96, mac os emu or os3.9, because there may be bugs with addressing modes yet to be found. but im pretty sure this will be solved.

[biggun]

I wish the team well, even though Gunnar has for some unknown reason got irritated with the Fpgaarcade team.
...

Anyhow its a small community, lets all work and play together peacefully.
Cheers,

Mike
http://www.fpgaarcade.com

Hi Mike,

The issue is very easy to explain.
People told us that you "warned/informed" them that  my SAGA chipset
would be based on a copy of a patched Minimig chipset.

[wawrzon]

Matt and Thomas could actually use one of the cores that has been modified to run on the Chameleon.  If my memory serves me correctly, it also has a 68k soft CPU in addition to the classic Amiga chipset.  Or better yet, they can keep using a real classic Amiga or a UAE variant.....problem solved!  Or they could buy a Mining or a Replay board or a Chameleon.  Again, problem solved.   With all the options out there for running classic systems, the arguments they've been posting here are looking very ridiculous.  It's clear they have some personal issue with Gunnar and the technical issues that they keep raising are just smokescreens.

your own words above. not speaking about matt, who anyway helped a lot with a number of amiga projects, but telling one of the few apollo team software contributors, like thor, because he has some valid concerns, he should stay away from the project is everything but constructive.

[biggun]

My problem is obviously getting simple answers to simple questions
.

-

Can you read?
This thread is about new developer board to come so that people WILL be able to test the new core.
Is you read this thread then you know the people do NOT have the board yet.
So why do you ask them for testing AROS or MACOS if its clear to the educated reader that without a board they could not have tested it?

[Fats]

Matt shoots.... he scores!

... in the wrong goal.

[mikej]

Hi Mike,

The issue is very easy to explain.
People told us that you "warned/informed" them that  my SAGA chipset
would be based on a copy of a patched Minimig chipset.

Thanks for the response. News to me, I have no idea what you are up to (it being closed source) and hence how could I comment? I think there is some miss-communication here with a 3rd party perhaps.

I have however received "demands" for my code (people assume it is minimig derived) however for use with a Phoenix core, which I politely turned down as it's not released yet.

It is now working pretty much, and will be released.
Best,
Mike

[biggun]

Thanks for the response. News to me, I have no idea what you are up to (it being closed source) and hence how could I comment? I think there is some miss-communication here with a 3rd party perhaps.

The owner of  the MIST project spoke withus about using SAGA in his board.
He got irritated after you seem to have told him that our code would be an illegal copy of your code.


It was surprising me how room this small scene semm to have for politics.

[ferrellsl]

your own words above. not speaking about matt, who anyway helped a lot with a number of amiga projects, but telling one of the few apollo team software contributors, like thor, because he has some valid concerns, he should stay away from the project is everything but constructive.

I still have no idea what you're referring too.  I haven't told THOR to stay away.  Never mentioned him.  I told Matt and THOMAS to stay away if they didn't like this project.  It's Gunnar's project and he obviously is getting along quite well in spite of Matt's and Thomas' criticisms.  If they don't like the direction that Gunnar is taking his project, they should take it up with Gunnar in offline mode rather than making a spectacle of themselves here.  And there are other people who can develop libraries for Gunnar's project, as well as complete alternatives to Gunnar's project such as the Minimig, Chameleon, Mist and Replay boards. No one is forcing anyone to like or adopt or develop for Gunnar's project.

[mikej]

Ah yes, I talked to Till about this while I was giving him some T68 updates.

It was a bit of a case of Chinese whispers to be honest, and Till has already apologized to me for any miss-understanding. It would appear Gunnar was a little overly sensitive.

I am continuously surprised at the politics, it all seems a bit unnecessary to be honest.
/Mike

[guest11527]

I have the feeling thanks to Thomas and Matt I will not see this project comes to reality. * sigh * I knew it was to good to be true.  

Actually, I wouldn't be so negative. The boards are produced, and the FPGA core works. Ok, there are bugs, but that is not unexpected. The project requires a bit more professionalism, i.e. once the boards are ready, they should be shipped by a professional vendor in somewhat larger quantities.  

Always when something finally new shines up...someone in the community MUST DESTROY it and we will be forever stuck at specs of 68000 @ 7 Mhz 512 KB CHIP RAM.

Who does that? If a project is run, do we all have to agree, or is it disallowed to criticize some of its components? Look, I'm all *for* this project, except that I don't quite agree with one minor point. Does that mean that the project will be destroyed? Hardly. It is not even my project. Gunnar has the last say - but that still does not mean that I'm happy with all decisions. Probably I don't have to.

[wawrzon]

I still have no idea what you're referring too.  I haven't told THOR to stay away.  Never mentioned him.  I told Matt and THOMAS to stay away if they didn't like this project.  It's Gunnar's project and he obviously is getting along quite well in spite of Matt's and Thomas' criticisms.  If they don't like the direction that Gunnar is taking his project, they should take it up with Gunnar in offline mode rather than making a spectacle of themselves here.  And there are other people who can develop libraries for Gunnar's project, as well as complete alternatives to Gunnar's project such as the Minimig, Chameleon, Mist and Replay boards. No one is forcing anyone to like or adopt or develop for Gunnar's project.

thor and thomas richter are one and the same person. clear now?

[wawrzon]

I am continuously surprised at the politics, it all seems a bit unnecessary to be honest.
/Mike

so since everybody is a bit sensitive about their projects and surprised about the politics, can this be considered settled in order to start over in mutual respect?

[mikej]

so since everybody is a bit sensitive about their projects and surprised about the politics, can this be considered settled in order to start over in mutual respect?

There was never any disrespect from my side.

Absolutely, with communication, tolerance and respect from all sides, this small community would certainly be a happier place.

Mike.

[ferrellsl]

thor and thomas richter are one and the same person. clear now?

Wow, so I'm supposed to magically know that?  I really don't care if I scare Thomas or Thor or whatever he calls himself, away from this project.  With help like his, Gunnar and his project don't need any enemies!  Thomas/Thor has been the most vocal detractor of this project via this thread.  Scaring him away might be doing everyone a favor!