Very hard to understand

[apsturk]

I have a number of Amiga computers (about 14) and a Mac Mini with Morphos 3.7 with Similemail however it has the 1.1 fork and It works ok at the very best. Just to be clear the fact that a program works does NOT mean that it is a good program or even an adequate one.

When I bought a X1000 I did not expect it would do all the things another computer would do (I already own all them). I was 100 percent sure that it would NOT. That is not my point. There have been updates to MUI and I am sure there are other factors as well.. My point is there only 1 email client that does IMAP? All the reading and email I am getting show that half the people say it works and the other half say that have lots of problems with it, just like I do.

 My overall point is that it is hard to understand (like my title says) why I can get dozens and dozens of 2d scroll games and email is almost non existent. That to me is hard to understand.

My point also is lets start with the basic stuff people do with computers first... like email etc. I am willing to pay for this and would like to. The product needs to be made first and then sold and supported by people that want a good product for a fair price. With email I think it's safe to say AROS Morphos and AmigaOS all have that need in a big way. That is a good number of people with a need. I would like to see it filled and I would encourage developers to work on things like email and some of the other most basic things that are needed to push things forward. I for one will do my part and support it with my money.

So yes I have done some complaining and I think it is well warranted. I also hope that the complaining will encourage developers to work on products that appeal to most if not every amiga user. Last is my pledge to spend money for such products.

I dont think that is so unreasonable do you. Is this not what we all would like to see happen

[danbeaver]

"I also hope that the complaining will encourage developers to work on products"

IMHO, I am pretty sure people respond to things that make them feel better about their lives -- sex, money, compliments, alcohol -- rather than complaints.

Trevor's AmiWest speech was about "content" for the Amiga and his company's support for software may lead to a revamp of an email program; try suggesting that in a positive way

[Hans_]

My overall point is that it is hard to understand (like my title says) why I can get dozens and dozens of 2d scroll games and email is almost non existent. That to me is hard to understand.

Most likely because it's a lot easier to port/create 2D scroller games than it is to create a good email client.

It looks like the development of SimpleMail has become rather fragmented. The main repository on sourceforge has seen little activity if any for over a year. Then there's the MOS fork, which I'm pleased to see has been discontinued and will be merged back into the main project. Finally, there's a more active copy here:
https://github.com/sba1/simplemail/

Hopefully they'll clean this up, and make it clear which repository should be used.

Given that the github repo appears to be the most active one now, I suggest that you submit bug reports there. You will have to be specific though; "it doesn't work" isn't good enough.

Hans

[apsturk]

"I also hope that the complaining will encourage developers to work on products"

IMHO, I am pretty sure people respond to things that make them feel better about their lives -- sex, money, compliments, alcohol -- rather than complaints.

Trevor's AmiWest speech was about "content" for the Amiga and his company's support for software may lead to a revamp of an email program; try suggesting that in a positive way

I get you point however identifying a problem and pledging money to support solutions (as many times as I have through out this thread) is the position I am in and is all I can do. Your focusing on but one thing and ignoring the other as if I did not address that too I think is missing the point. I went out of my way to make sure I shared that I am and will be continuing to spend money in support of Amiga software and hardware. This is a forum for lots of things and expressing disappointment and stating an opinion that contains my willingness to do what I can to change it is what its all about.

I will however keep your post in mind and try to be a little less sour sounding. Thanks

[zylesea]

PS this is a problem for Morph and AROS as well.

It's called MorphOS not Morph.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

It's called MorphOS not Morph.

[apsturk]

lol thats great. Just what I was thinking.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

In hindsight I just realized that user is located in Germany.  Probably not the most politically correct meme I could've posted.  Still, it was a wholly unnecessary correction.  Hope they have a good sense of humor!  

[paul1981]

In hindsight I just realized that user is located in Germany.  Probably not the most politically correct meme I could've posted.  Still, it was a wholly unnecessary correction.  Hope they have a good sense of humor!  

To hell with political correctness...there's nothing wrong with blonde hair & blue eyes.

[kolla]

What will people do the day they no longer can have their amigoid systems online, because the IP stack is too old to support the current Internet? There are no people in the community with skills and know-how to update any of the IP stacks.

[wawrzon]

To hell with political correctness...there's nothing wrong with blonde hair & blue eyes.

hell, no, which i both have. but there is a lot of wrong which have been done in the name of it..

[Matt_H]

PopPlaceholder was updated in 2014?  Everything on my system is new how would I get old MCC. Does SimpleMail instal that. From reading it does not look like it does.

Sorry, my mistake, PopPlaceholder is older. But even though you may have a brand new shiny install of OS4, the latest versions of things might not be a part of OS4. The Contributions drawer, for instance, includes some very old software. Whoever compiled the OS4 disc image may have missed the latest versions of the MCCs. Check the ones on your system (MUI:Libs/mui) against the versions of Aminet. Update if necessary.

MUI itself was updated less than a month ago. Do you have that version installed?

Try the 68K version of SimpleMail as well. It will run under OS4. Maybe it will work better for you.

IMAP has been on the to-do list for YAM for several years. I know it's not an option for you now, but it could be eventually.

I know you're frustrated that something as "basic" as email is proving difficult. In most markets, what you say would be perfectly logical: there's a market need for an email client, someone creates a product, people buy that product, everyone is happy. But this is not a normal market. No one can make a full-time living writing Amiga software. Things must be done in people's spare time, so things move very slowly. We're trying to help you find a solution, but if the only info you can give us is "It's broken, I'll pay money for a working program" there's not much we can do.

Please explain the problem(s) you are having with SimpleMail in great detail. Tell us the exact wording of any error messages you receive. Screenshots would be a big help.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

What will people do the day they no longer can have their amigoid systems online, because the IP stack is too old to support the current Internet? There are no people in the community with skills and know-how to update any of the IP stacks.

I was listening to the news just the other day and they were talking about an update to the HTTP standard being released.  Haven't had time to google exactly what they meant, but it made me worry about this exact same thing!  :confused:

[agami]

The A1X1k is a hobbyist system for the AmigaOS 4.x hobby OS. If you find the hobby apps currently available for the hobby system are leaving you wanting, then hobby write the app you want, or wait until some hobby Amigan decides to hobby write one.

Alternatively ,you can post your grievances on a forum like this and get a whole bunch of people ignore what you wrote and recommend the thing you can't use, or tell you how they're not having the hobby problem you are having.

[OlafS3]

The A1X1k is a hobbyist system for the AmigaOS 4.x hobby OS. If you find the hobby apps currently available for the hobby system are leaving you wanting, then hobby write the app you want, or wait until some hobby Amigan decides to hobby write one.

Alternatively ,you can post your grievances on a forum like this and get a whole bunch of people ignore what you wrote and recommend the thing you can't use, or tell you how they're not having the hobby problem you are having.

Good idea... why do YOU not write a new professional email-client for a couple of dollars (or zero) for him? You will make him happy.

[OlafS3]

I have a number of Amiga computers (about 14) and a Mac Mini with Morphos 3.7 with Similemail however it has the 1.1 fork and It works ok at the very best. Just to be clear the fact that a program works does NOT mean that it is a good program or even an adequate one.

When I bought a X1000 I did not expect it would do all the things another computer would do (I already own all them). I was 100 percent sure that it would NOT. That is not my point. There have been updates to MUI and I am sure there are other factors as well.. My point is there only 1 email client that does IMAP? All the reading and email I am getting show that half the people say it works and the other half say that have lots of problems with it, just like I do.

 My overall point is that it is hard to understand (like my title says) why I can get dozens and dozens of 2d scroll games and email is almost non existent. That to me is hard to understand.

My point also is lets start with the basic stuff people do with computers first... like email etc. I am willing to pay for this and would like to. The product needs to be made first and then sold and supported by people that want a good product for a fair price. With email I think it's safe to say AROS Morphos and AmigaOS all have that need in a big way. That is a good number of people with a need. I would like to see it filled and I would encourage developers to work on things like email and some of the other most basic things that are needed to push things forward. I for one will do my part and support it with my money.

So yes I have done some complaining and I think it is well warranted. I also hope that the complaining will encourage developers to work on products that appeal to most if not every amiga user. Last is my pledge to spend money for such products.

I dont think that is so unreasonable do you. Is this not what we all would like to see happen

Even if I assume that you (and some others) would be willing to spend for a modern email-client (whatever this is because I myself use something basic for that) and you would find someone willing and able to do it (and have the needed time) how much would it be? Perhaps you could setup a bounty with the requirement to update Simplemail or YAM and then wait how much will be donated and if there is any real interest for it. Simplemail works very good for me, why should I be for a new client? This way many others will think too. And regarding your problems from my experience in supporting PCs it more sounds like OS/hardware related than a software problem. Everything else works perfectly? Is internet connection running stable?